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#2123997 12-Nov-2018 11:36

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If Jones stays then JA will display astonishing inconsistency and hypocracy. She also needs to deal with Lees-Galloway.

She has just said over the weekend that she wouldn't accept Lees-Galloway resignation if given. Seems she still blames the officials.

Despite his own acknowledgement that he didn't read the entire file (I'll guess he barely even glanced at it).

She seems determined to defend her people even without an investigation. It's Andrew Kirton all over again. She is a awful manager of people.

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#2123998 12-Nov-2018 11:37

The Coalition......

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#2124155 12-Nov-2018 14:10

MikeB4:
If Jones stays then JA will display astonishing inconsistency and hypocracy. She also needs to deal with Lees-Galloway.

Jones appears to be indicating it was an oversight related to Outlook. That's different to Curren who was in the gun for misleading parliament in verbal answers as I understand it.

This requirement for meeting disclosure appears to be relatively new.

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#2124156 12-Nov-2018 14:10

MikeB4:

The Coalition......

Cart left over from WW1?

How appropriate.

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#2124175 12-Nov-2018 14:51

gzt:
MikeB4:

If Jones stays then JA will display astonishing inconsistency and hypocracy. She also needs to deal with Lees-Galloway.

Jones appears to be indicating it was an oversight related to Outlook. That's different to Curren who was in the gun for misleading parliament in verbal answers as I understand it.

This requirement for meeting disclosure appears to be relatively new.

I am just finding the explanation hard to buy into.

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#2124395 12-Nov-2018 18:55

Oh yeah agree could be anything. I'm still trying to understand if this whole diary thing is a change in process. It seems like parliamentary questions and OIAs related to diaries have become possible only recently. It's a good thing.

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#2124414 12-Nov-2018 19:48

gzt: Oh yeah agree could be anything. I'm still trying to understand if this whole diary thing is a change in process. It seems like parliamentary questions and OIAs related to diaries have become possible only recently. It's a good thing.

Isnt the real issue over the untruths? They have to answer questions honestly or could be dealt to severely by the Speaker (maybe a left hook outside the house?)

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#2124589 13-Nov-2018 09:07

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12157577

Another day, another bungle.

/me smh.

The Ministry for Primary Industries has yet to put a dollar figure on the cost to taxpayers, but market rates for seedlings put the cost of the order at about $400,000.

The deal between the Crown and the Far North's Ngāti Hine Forestry Trust was trumpeted by the Beehive as the first Crown joint venture in the One Billion Trees programme.

Documents released through the Official Information Act show Jones sealed the agreement during a May 31 ceremony on a Ngāti Hine forestry block, at which he planted a tree using a shovel engraved with his name.

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#2124607 13-Nov-2018 09:35

gzt:
MikeB4:

If Jones stays then JA will display astonishing inconsistency and hypocracy. She also needs to deal with Lees-Galloway.

Jones appears to be indicating it was an oversight related to Outlook. That's different to Curren who was in the gun for misleading parliament in verbal answers as I understand it.

This requirement for meeting disclosure appears to be relatively new.

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/375683/shane-jones-fails-to-disclose-61-meetings

Shane Jones has had to correct 20 answers to questions from the National Party after he failed to disclose meetings he had earlier this year.

Jones also arguably misled Parliament - the difference is that these were written vs. oral questions. Typically, written questions are expected to be answered with greater accuracy because the member has time to research and prepare their response.

The above article concludes with a comparison to Curran's omissions:

Mr Jones' error follows a diarying mishap by the former minister Clare Curran, who was sacked from Cabinet for not properly declaring meetings she had with senior figures related to her portfolios.

Earlier this year she failed to declare a late-night meeting with her preferred candidate for the Chief Technology Officer position, Derek Handley. That after she left a meeting with the former RNZ news manager Carol Hirschfeld out of an answer to a written question from the opposition.

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#2124614 13-Nov-2018 09:46

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gzt: Oh yeah agree could be anything. I'm still trying to understand if this whole diary thing is a change in process. It seems like parliamentary questions and OIAs related to diaries have become possible only recently. It's a good thing.

Isnt the real issue over the untruths? They have to answer questions honestly or could be dealt to severely by the Speaker (maybe a left hook outside the house?)

Clearly you don't know the answer to that one. I agree it's an issue. All the same, this omission was raised by Jones' office on their own initiative so I'm willing to give just a little credit for that one.

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#2124617 13-Nov-2018 09:51

Dealt with severely by the speaker? Don't make me laugh. Trevor Mallard has barely had a cross word for the coalition despite multiple infringements.

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#2124619 13-Nov-2018 10:00

The appointments issue is not a trivial affair. This is part of open government and anti corruption. Every New Zealander should be very concerned about this. It damages parliaments and the country's reputation. This is now two Cabinet Ministers in the Coalition, is this just the tip of an iceberg and there are more incidents waiting to be revealed? That last statement of mine examples the affect these incidents have on perceptions and suspicions that generate. If it generates within NZ it will be generated abroad with our trading partners.

Jacinda Ardern has to take this very seriously and in line with what happened with Claire Curran, Shane Jones must to be relieved of his portfolios anything short throws a bad light on the integrity of the Coalition, Parliament and New Zealand.

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#2124631 13-Nov-2018 10:17

I woke to the words that Kelvin Davis - Acting PM was going to be on the breakfast show. I haven't heard it yet, but I can't for the life of me understand, given the number of times he has embarassed himself on the National stage, is allowed to speak at all.

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#2124635 13-Nov-2018 10:22

Perhaps if Shane Jones focussed more on his portfolios and less on the running of companies he clearly has no idea about, or keeping records of his meetings as he should be doing now, not only as part of his obligation but as part of normal and fundamental time keeping for himself, we wouldn't be facing down hundreds of thousands of lost taxpayer money for what should have been utterly avoidable.

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#2124642 13-Nov-2018 10:37

networkn:

I woke to the words that Kelvin Davis - Acting PM was going to be on the breakfast show. I haven't heard it yet, but I can't for the life of me understand, given the number of times he has embarassed himself on the National stage, is allowed to speak at all.

From TVNZ site " We have hundreds of meetings over the course of a month" Kelvin Davis defending Jones failing to disclose 61.

I don't buy that at all.

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