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#2125542 14-Nov-2018 12:34

Rikkitic:

On a completely different subject, I submit this as a counter to all the anti-government dribble of the last couple pages. There is another side to this story.

So does anything that does not fit your view equal dribble

Also your link relates to a different thread this thread is about the Coalition

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#2125546 14-Nov-2018 12:48

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Also your link relates to a different thread this thread is about the Coalition

Sorry. It's hard to keep them separate sometimes.

Dribble: to issue sporadically and in small bits. That is a reasonable description of the many and varied criticisms of the governing parties that appear on a regular basis here.

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#2126520 14-Nov-2018 13:06

Rikkitic:

MikeB4:

Also your link relates to a different thread this thread is about the Coalition

Sorry. It's hard to keep them separate sometimes.

Dribble: to issue sporadically and in small bits. That is a reasonable description of the many and varied criticisms of the governing parties that appear on a regular basis here.

Perhaps if the people of NZ weren't subjected to a near constant stream of errors, incompetence, inconsistencies, poorly thought out planned and executed policies and bungling from the Labour-led coalition, there wouldn't need to be a thread discussing them.

Like America, we voted them in, so apparently, this is what we want/deserve.

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#2126523 14-Nov-2018 13:12

Yet the economy is apparently doing so well. How do they manage that amidst all the bungling? I don't know, I'm just pointing out that there are other ways of viewing this.

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#2126526 14-Nov-2018 13:18

Do you really believe that the current government is soley or even majority responsible for the state of the economy? The measure is what it looks like a couple of years from now. Economies don't move on a dime.

I am not saying that it's impossible for Labour to lead this country in the right direction economically, I just think we are a ways off determining if that's the case. It's an encouraging sign not to see things heading in a negative direction early.

The financial impact of their policies won't be reflected accurately in the last budget.

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#2126528 14-Nov-2018 13:20

Also we will never know, however had National been in power the economy could be doing just as well or maybe better without all this other stuff.... As you say, could look at it a number of ways.

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#2126546 14-Nov-2018 13:41

Rikkitic:

Yet the economy is apparently doing so well. How do they manage that amidst all the bungling? I don't know, I'm just pointing out that there are other ways of viewing this.

The correct way to put it is the economy is doing okay despite the governments bungling. I think that is down to prior management, tourism, luck. However the economy is only one metric by which a government is judged.

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#2126547 14-Nov-2018 13:44

networkn: Also we will never know, however had National been in power the economy could be doing just as well or maybe better without all this other stuff.... As you say, could look at it a number of ways.

The point I am really trying to make is that the criticisms of you and others seem to create an impression that the issues are somehow unique to this coalition, or more specifically, Labour, with the implication that it would all somehow be better if only National had been able to form the government. I don't agree with that. Every government, regardless of the parties that make it up, has its fair share of incompetent and useless ministers and MPs. One has to wonder what might have happened with Jami-Lee Ross if National had formed the government. Would they have kept a lid on his excesses and promoted him even further to keep him happy? What kind of minister would he have made? This sort of thing is not unique to National and it is not unique to Labour. It is fair and necessary to point out the failings of government wherever they occur, but it is neither fair nor necessary to exaggerate them to score political points or to pretend that only the government has these sorts of issues. The parties in government necessarily have a lot more exposure than those in opposition, and by definition will have more stuff-ups and scandals as a result. The same would be the case with National. Inferring that Labour is inherently evil or incapable is not honest.

For what it's worth, I also think Shane Jones is a disaster and I'm sure JA does as well, but she can't get rid of him without killing the coalition so she has to make the best of it. I also think Lees-Galloway is probably a lost cause. I expect he will go sooner rather than later. But again, this kind of thing isn't unique to this government.

And since you give National credit for the government's economic success, I assume you are also prepared to give them the blame for the government's failures. Did anyone mention the housing crisis, or the teachers' crisis, or the health care crisis? Lots of neglect and deferred maintenance there.

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#2126548 14-Nov-2018 13:47

So the Government banned letting fees and they are being replaced by tenancy fees levied against the property owner which of course will be passed onto the tennant. I would have thought that this was obvious and the Government acted to curb this response. So the bottom line is no change in cost for the tennants. A swing and a miss on this one.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/108595008/tenancy-fees-for-landlords-replace-banned-letting-fees

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#2126562 14-Nov-2018 13:56

Rikkitic:

networkn: Also we will never know, however had National been in power the economy could be doing just as well or maybe better without all this other stuff.... As you say, could look at it a number of ways.

The point I am really trying to make is that the criticisms of you and others seem to create an impression that the issues are somehow unique to this coalition, or more specifically, Labour, with the implication that it would all somehow be better if only National had been able to form the government. I don't agree with that. Every government, regardless of the parties that make it up, has its fair share of incompetent and useless ministers and MPs. One has to wonder what might have happened with Jami-Lee Ross if National had formed the government. Would they have kept a lid on his excesses and promoted him even further to keep him happy? What kind of minister would he have made? This sort of thing is not unique to National and it is not unique to Labour. It is fair and necessary to point out the failings of government wherever they occur, but it is neither fair nor necessary to exaggerate them to score political points or to pretend that only the government has these sorts of issues. The parties in government necessarily have a lot more exposure than those in opposition, and by definition will have more stuff-ups and scandals as a result. The same would be the case with National. Inferring that Labour is inherently evil or incapable is not honest.

For what it's worth, I also think Shane Jones is a disaster and I'm sure JA does as well, but she can't get rid of him without killing the coalition so she has to make the best of it. I also think Lees-Galloway is probably a lost cause. I expect he will go sooner rather than later. But again, this kind of thing isn't unique to this government.

And since you give National credit for the government's economic success, I assume you are also prepared to give them the blame for the government's failures. Did anyone mention the housing crisis, or the teachers' crisis, or the health care crisis? Lots of neglect and deferred maintenance there.

The number of issues this Government has created for itself, and continued to create and failed to learn from, are pretty much unparalled in modern times.

Shane Jones should go, and if the consequences are that the Government can't remain in it's current state, then so be it, because this is how MMP works.

I do not believe there is a teacher *crisis*, nor a health care *crisis*. There are people wanting to be paid more for what they do, and how the Government balances those, with the other things it must manage. The Unions are having a field day, becuase they can under a Labour Government. I do NOT support industrial action. My wife is a Doctor who refused to strike last time they did many years ago. She was abused at spat at when she went to work when the rest of the Doctors were outside. National had a plan to increase funding to Education, Healthcare and many other areas too don't forget.

If there is a housing crisis, Labour has done little to alleviate it, and I don't see the Kiwibuild program helping with this (except to provide those who decide to participate in it, which total a grand number of 388 so far, a massive free capital gains due to poor policy set up). The housing market was cooling before the election as National predicted it would, and it's continued. Some areas continue to see record breaking sales prices.

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#2126564 14-Nov-2018 13:57

MikeB4:

So the Government banned letting fees and they are being replaced by tenancy fees levied against the property owner which of course will be passed onto the tennant. I would have thought that this was obvious and the Government acted to curb this response. So the bottom line is no change in cost for the tennants. A swing and a miss on this one.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/108595008/tenancy-fees-for-landlords-replace-banned-letting-fees

Anyone with a modicum of intelligence should have been this happening. I saw it mentioned many times online. Apparently Labour didn't think of it. Unsurprising.

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#2126571 14-Nov-2018 14:04

networkn: My wife is a Doctor who refused to strike last time they did many years ago. She was abused at spat at when she went to work when the rest of the Doctors were outside.

No surprise that we strongly (even vehemently) disagree on many things, but no-one should ever be treated like that under any circumstances. People who behave in that manner are despicable. There can be no excuse for it. I'm sorry your wife had to endure that just for trying to do her job. I have a lot of regard for doctors.

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#2126622 14-Nov-2018 15:03

Rikkitic:

networkn: My wife is a Doctor who refused to strike last time they did many years ago. She was abused at spat at when she went to work when the rest of the Doctors were outside.

No surprise that we strongly (even vehemently) disagree on many things, but no-one should ever be treated like that under any circumstances. People who behave in that manner are despicable. There can be no excuse for it. I'm sorry your wife had to endure that just for trying to do her job. I have a lot of regard for doctors.

Thanks, it wasn't pleasant, but my wife would do it again tomorrow, even knowing she might get the same result. The reality is the unions wound the Doctors and their support people up to a frenzy, much as I believe they did with the Nurses, and to a degree the teachers.

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#2126627 14-Nov-2018 15:08

I am finding the health system very good. I can ring my hospital based specialists any time, they email me info and follow ups. Will send repeat scripts direct to my pharmacy. I can ring the Nurse Specialists for advice and I do need to go via my GP to make appointments with the specialists. They organise home visits for bloodtests and if I cannot get to the surgery they send nurses to give injections if I can inject myself.

edit; it was like this prior the change of government

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#2126772 14-Nov-2018 19:23

networkn:
You'd trust him as long as that!? Not me.

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