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#2884878 11-Mar-2022 12:26

That... sounds a bit like urban-legend material. A small, vulnerable, short-range battery-powered drone being used by Russian troops to peek into someone's apartment? I'd say more likely one being used by Ukrainians to get video footage of damage.

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#2885009 11-Mar-2022 14:01

It is now "Fortress Kyiv", I do not think the russians are going to take the city anymore, they will take so much losses doing it, there is too much western weapons waiting for them in there. I think they going to Nerve Gas the city and level it with artillery and bombs to force surrender via terror.

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#2885024 11-Mar-2022 14:25

cruxis:
It is now "Fortress Kyiv", I do not think the russians are going to take the city anymore, they will take so much losses doing it, there is too much western weapons waiting for them in there.

It also depends on whether they've studied de Bello Gallico or not, they've got the Siege of Putingrad on the inside but also a massive hostile countryside all around them and behind them. Caesar spent at least as much time and effort fortifying his back as he did attacking inwards. They're going to have a hell of a time keeping the siege going when their supply lines keep getting hit everywhere.

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#2885149 11-Mar-2022 18:33

Maybe if you can afford Nukes or over x% of your GDP on military then you should not keep most favoured trading status.

Russians keep pressure on Mariupol; massive convoy breaks up
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-bf2bcfb3a499d688e3075f2d4cf54989

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Seven leading industrialized nations would move to revoke Russia’s “most favored nation” trade status, according to a source familiar with the matter who spoke on the condition of anonymity to preview the announcement. The loss of the trade status would allow tariffs to be imposed on Russian imports and increase the isolation of the Russian economy.
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#2885182 11-Mar-2022 20:21

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#2885204 11-Mar-2022 22:19

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False flag

Chemical weapons

Killing women and children

and so on, all part of Russia historical playbook

Firstly I am strictly against the Russian invasion of Ukraine but lets not forget

The US/UK claimed Saddam Hussein had chemical and other WMD where that was false

The estimates of civilian deaths resulting from the last US lead invasion of Iraq range from 250K-500K +/- (60-90% violent)

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#2885238 12-Mar-2022 07:59

neb: That... sounds a bit like urban-legend material. A small, vulnerable, short-range battery-powered drone being used by Russian troops to peek into someone's apartment? I'd say more likely one being used by Ukrainians to get video footage of damage.

According to Rob Lee, a senior fellow at the Foreign Policy Research Institute, corruption and cost could be the reasons for the Russian military’s widespread use of poor-quality Chinese goods.

"This is a common issue in the Russian military. Low quality Chinese-made components are often used, sometimes because of corruption, in Russian military equipment to cut costs, including tires and military radios. "

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#2885249 12-Mar-2022 08:37

For those who don't know, Russian GDP was similar to Spain before the invasion.

In early 2008, one US dollar would buy roughly 25 rubles. On Wednesday, one US dollar could buy 117 rubles in Moscow after the currency fell 10% and hit a new record low.

Fitch Ratings slashed Russia's credit rating on Tuesday and warned that a default was "imminent."

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#2885256 12-Mar-2022 09:02

xlinknz:

The US/UK claimed Saddam Hussein had chemical and other WMD where that was false

The estimates of civilian deaths resulting from the last US lead invasion of Iraq range from 250K-500K +/- (60-90% violent)

And I was dead against the Iraq invasion, and Afghanistan too. And we should be doing something about the Saudis - who were responsible for 9/11 as well as their atrocities in Yemen - and the Chinese as well. But we all know that we won't, so let's at least notch up one win if we can on this one. :-(

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#2885260 12-Mar-2022 09:22

xlinknz:

Firstly I am strictly against the Russian invasion of Ukraine but lets not forget

The US/UK claimed Saddam Hussein had chemical and other WMD where that was false

The estimates of civilian deaths resulting from the last US lead invasion of Iraq range from 250K-500K +/- (60-90% violent)

Consider it a lesson learned. The US/UK won't be going after Russia in a war.

Its a pity someone else cannot learn a lesson.

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#2885270 12-Mar-2022 10:04

I find it really weird that wars that have nothing to do with the US and a clear hostile aggressor must always be couched against the caveat that the US has done bad stuff and apparently that's always relevant. At least, apparently to some people.

The fact the US have been dicks doesn't make what Russia is doing any less dick-ish, nor does it justify it or whatever. It actually doesn't matter at all.

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#2885294 12-Mar-2022 11:18

Some ridiculous comments on my local Facebook page, people blaming our PM for price rises of petrol - like she personally started the war to jack up the price of petrol. Um, okay.

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#2885334 12-Mar-2022 13:38

Vanity Fair: US Republican representative Madison Cawthorn, who’d make a good russian mark, tells supporters ukraine’s zelenskyy is a “thug”.

...Republican representative Madison Cawthorn, who has spent most of his short adult life telling lies, has reached a very different conclusion on the Ukrainian leader…one that sounds extremely similar to Putin’s talking points!

At an event on Saturday in North Carolina, the 26-year-old lawmaker told supporters: “Remember that Zelenskyy is a thug. Remember that the Ukrainian government is incredibly corrupt, and it is incredibly evil, and it has been pushing woke ideologies.”

There’s a lot to unpack here, but let‘s start with the claim that Zelenskyy is a “thug.” Naturally, it does not appear that Cawthorn—whose idea of a good time includes visiting Hitler’s vacation home—backed this up with any actual evidence...

...Not even the Putin–loving Donald Trump has has criticized Zelenskyy (though there was that time he tried to extort the Ukrainian president, withholding critical aid in the hopes of getting him to dig up dirt on Joe and Hunter Biden.) It’s worth noting that these attacks on Zelenskyy closely mirror Putin’s,...

...As for the notion that Ukraine has been pushing “woke ideologies,” we truly have no idea…what the hell Cawthorn is talking about. Presumably, this accusation was derived from some combination of (1) Republicans thinking calling someone “woke” is just about the worst thing you can say about them, (2) Putin apologists claiming that the Russian president is an ally in the fight against the “woke left,” and (3) Cawthorn being a idiot....

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#2885347 12-Mar-2022 15:10

GV27:
I find it really weird that wars that have nothing to do with the US and a clear hostile aggressor must always be couched against the caveat that the US has done bad stuff and apparently that's always relevant. At least, apparently to some people.

There's even a specific term for this, whataboutism. It was a favourite Soviet tactic throughout the life of the Soviet Union, so much so that it was turned into a political joke in Russia, "А у вас негров линчуют", "But in your country they lynch negroes".

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#2885352 12-Mar-2022 15:30

quickymart:
Some ridiculous comments on my local Facebook page, people blaming our PM for price rises of petrol - like she personally started the war to jack up the price of petrol. Um, okay.

It's just complaining about the state of the world in general, which makes the government the obvious lightning rod. Someone recently forwarded some poll result or other that showed National slightly ahead and I pointed out that it isn't a sudden swing to National, it's just people using the government as a lightning rod for dissatisfaction. You could run a box of one dozen starving, crazed weasels against the government and people would protest-vote for them.

(Eventually a little ditty would start going through their head, it goes a little something like "Doh!, Get 'em off me!, Get 'em off me!, No, get 'em off, get 'em off!", but that doesn't come till later).

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