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#2916415 20-May-2022 11:41

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You're right, I'm not the target audience, in this case I'm one of the donors, but common sense and life experience would tell you that a short term fix doesn't solve a long term issue

You can see why its been called a band-aid on an open wound. 3 months worth of payments to help with living costs treasury predict will be around for the next 36 months at least

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#2916425 20-May-2022 12:02

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You're right, I'm not the target audience, in this case I'm one of the donors, but common sense and life experience would tell you that a short term fix doesn't solve a long term issue

Correct. On the other hand we're not ready for or going to get all the changes that would be required to solve our long term problems so it looks like NZ will limp on with temporary ad-hoc solutions for the foreseeable future.

We will see in time if/how other more structural changes result in 'better outcomes'.

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#2919167 26-May-2022 20:34

Why New Zealand Sent Money, Equipment And Training To Ukraine's Army

The Late Show with Stephen Colbert

"New Zealand PM Jacinda Ardern shares the conversation she had with President Zelensky after her country donated money and military supplies to help Ukraine push back Russia's invasion. Stick around for more from New Zealand's Prime Minister!"

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#2919353 27-May-2022 09:45

The Late Show with Stephen Colbert

Other two segments

In the 18-to-49 demo, averages about 300,000 viewers. The total of all demographics is around 400,000 viewers.

She spend 15:38 on the show. A TV ad on Colbert costs NZ $1,088/second

So it was over a million dollars worth of free advertising.

This excludes the Youtube views, from searches.

New Zealand Is Welcoming Tourists Again, And Stephen Is Invited To PM Jacina Ardern's Wedding

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern celebrates New Zealand's grand re-opening by inviting Stephen and Evie Colbert to attend her wedding

I can't post this link because the video key contains W T F.

We Will Buy Them Back And We Will Destroy Them" - PM Jacinda Ardern On Gun Control In New Zealand

New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern outlines what her country's government did to enact sensible gun control after a terrible mass shooting in Christchurch. Stick around for two more segments with friend of the show, PM Jacinda Ardern!

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#2919360 27-May-2022 10:13

So many haters on Facebook harping on about her making the trip when (they say) instead of talking about our successes with gun control she should be here looking at the recent shootings in Auckland.

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#2919376 27-May-2022 11:02

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So many haters on Facebook harping on about her making the trip when (they say) instead of talking about our successes with gun control she should be here looking at the recent shootings in Auckland.

We have a few here on GZ as well, only somewhat more refined and intelligent in the way they express it. She has certainly made mistakes but I can't get over the feeling that the low end of the political spectrum looks for things to hold against her because they just can't stand the thought that progressives are running things. Not that they are being all that progressive about it.

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#2919383 27-May-2022 11:31

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So many haters on Facebook harping on about her making the trip when (they say) instead of talking about our successes with gun control she should be here looking at the recent shootings in Auckland.

We have had no success with gun control at all. There are more guns than ever in the hands of people who shouldn't have guns.

If you ask the police and almost anyone else who has good knowledge of our gun laws and the ownership of guns they will tell you the government stuffed up with the way they decided to control gun ownership. All the government achieved was removing guns from those people who weren't a problem to start with. The guns are still ending up in the possession of the gangs etc.

In reality the gun problem is worse now than before the much hyped change in our guns laws.

There's no way you can call this government's guns laws a success.

I dont have a gun, I've never owned one and not likely to in the future. I have no problem with people owning and using guns for legitimate reasons but if all guns were outlawed it wouldn't worry me personally either except that it would be an unfair imposition on those who have a legitimate need to use them.

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#2919406 27-May-2022 12:08

Rikkitic:

quickymart:

So many haters on Facebook harping on about her making the trip when (they say) instead of talking about our successes with gun control she should be here looking at the recent shootings in Auckland.

We have a few here on GZ as well, only somewhat more refined and intelligent in the way they express it. She has certainly made mistakes but I can't get over the feeling that the low end of the political spectrum looks for things to hold against her because they just can't stand the thought that progressives are running things. Not that they are being all that progressive about it.

Here we go again!

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#2919409 27-May-2022 12:32

Technofreak:
quickymart:

So many haters on Facebook harping on about her making the trip when (they say) instead of talking about our successes with gun control she should be here looking at the recent shootings in Auckland.

We have had no success with gun control at all. There are more guns than ever in the hands of people who shouldn't have guns.

If you ask the police and almost anyone else who has good knowledge of our gun laws and the ownership of guns they will tell you the government stuffed up with the way they decided to control gun ownership. All the government achieved was removing guns from those people who weren't a problem to start with. The guns are still ending up in the possession of the gangs etc.

In reality the gun problem is worse now than before the much hyped change in our guns laws.

There's no way you can call this government's guns laws a success.

I dont have a gun, I've never owned one and not likely to in the future. I have no problem with people owning and using guns for legitimate reasons but if all guns were outlawed it wouldn't worry me personally either except that it would be an unfair imposition on those who have a legitimate need to use them.

I look at it as in how many shootings so far in the US, compared to how many shootings here? What would you rather have, our numbers or theirs?

Yes the laws here aren't perfect, but at least our government did something as opposed to the US, where the gun lobbyists control a number of politicians, who seem to be scared of them (from my perception) doing anything.

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#2919414 27-May-2022 12:47

Rikkitic:

they just can't stand the thought that progressives are running things. Not that they are being all that progressive about it.

Imagine holding someone to their own standards. The nerve of it all.

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#2919416 27-May-2022 12:51

quickymart:

I look at it as in how many shootings so far in the US, compared to how many shootings here? What would you rather have, our numbers or theirs?

Yes the laws here aren't perfect, but at least our government did something as opposed to the US, where the gun lobbyists control a number of politicians, who seem to be scared of them (from my perception) doing anything.

Comparing NZ and the US is a complete waste of time. We do not have the same culture as them, or views on guns. Or political history. You can argue theirs is wrong and ours is right and in most regards I'd agree, however you don't don't unwind peoples views of gun ownership given their history, in a short period of time.

The views are changing there, very slowly, but it's going to take a long time. There is a prevailing view that until the current generation die out, it won't happen enough for wholesale changes.

It seems pretty obvious something drastically needs to change, I can just see why there is such a huge amount of resistance to it, even though I disagree with it.

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#2919417 27-May-2022 12:56

quickymart:

Technofreak:

We have had no success with gun control at all. There are more guns than ever in the hands of people who shouldn't have guns.

If you ask the police and almost anyone else who has good knowledge of our gun laws and the ownership of guns they will tell you the government stuffed up with the way they decided to control gun ownership. All the government achieved was removing guns from those people who weren't a problem to start with. The guns are still ending up in the possession of the gangs etc.

In reality the gun problem is worse now than before the much hyped change in our guns laws.

There's no way you can call this government's guns laws a success.

I dont have a gun, I've never owned one and not likely to in the future. I have no problem with people owning and using guns for legitimate reasons but if all guns were outlawed it wouldn't worry me personally either except that it would be an unfair imposition on those who have a legitimate need to use them.

I look at it as in how many shootings so far in the US, compared to how many shootings here? What would you rather have, our numbers or theirs?

Yes the laws here aren't perfect, but at least our government did something as opposed to the US, where the gun lobbyists control a number of politicians, who seem to be scared of them (from my perception) doing anything.

Per head of population is the US any worse than us? I don't know that answer to that so it's not a simple answer to your question as to which set of numbers I'd prefer. Sure the gun lobby in the US is very strong but so is the sentiment of the right to bear arms.

I don't think we can even start to compare the two countries. I had a very interesting discussion with a friend who lives in Virginia after the I think it was the Virginia Tech shooting. From memory he told me it was legal to carry a concealed weapon in that state, a very foreign concept to our way of thinking. However it had the effect of moderating the average persons behaviour in a positive way. He gave an example, someone at a restaurant would not give the waitress a hard time because they didn't know who in the room might be carrying a concealed weapon that they may choose to use to come to the aid of the waitress. In other words because people never knew who had a gun therefore they didn't misbehave.

In the case of the shooting we were discussing he told me that the campus was a gun free zone meaning no one was allowed to carry a gun there. Therefore the gunman knew he was safe from being stopped by anyone carrying a weapon as there would be no one with a gun to stop him. The reasoning from my friend was that if the campus hadn't been a gun free zone the shooting would likely not have occurred.

As I said their gun laws are very different what we have, but they do/can work. In fact it can be argued that their gun laws have failed when they have tried to be more like us. Both countries have a different psych when it comes to guns. I'm not sure it's easy to parachute in laws from another country with a high chance of success.

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#2919435 27-May-2022 14:10

The US has by far the highest gun owning rate in the world.

1. US 101 per 100 people

2. Serbia 58 per 100

3. Yemen 54 per 100 people

4 Cyprus 36 per 100 people

NZ is 21st with 22 per 100 people.

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#2919446 27-May-2022 14:33

Technofreak:

Per head of population is the US any worse than us? I don't know that answer to that so it's not a simple answer to your question as to which set of numbers I'd prefer. Sure the gun lobby in the US is very strong but so is the sentiment of the right to bear arms.

I don't think we can even start to compare the two countries. I had a very interesting discussion with a friend who lives in Virginia after the I think it was the Virginia Tech shooting. From memory he told me it was legal to carry a concealed weapon in that state, a very foreign concept to our way of thinking. However it had the effect of moderating the average persons behaviour in a positive way. He gave an example, someone at a restaurant would not give the waitress a hard time because they didn't know who in the room might be carrying a concealed weapon that they may choose to use to come to the aid of the waitress. In other words because people never knew who had a gun therefore they didn't misbehave.

In the case of the shooting we were discussing he told me that the campus was a gun free zone meaning no one was allowed to carry a gun there. Therefore the gunman knew he was safe from being stopped by anyone carrying a weapon as there would be no one with a gun to stop him. The reasoning from my friend was that if the campus hadn't been a gun free zone the shooting would likely not have occurred.

As I said their gun laws are very different what we have, but they do/can work. In fact it can be argued that their gun laws have failed when they have tried to be more like us. Both countries have a different psych when it comes to guns. I'm not sure it's easy to parachute in laws from another country with a high chance of success.

Yes, yes they are - significantly.

3.6 gun deaths per 100,000 source

0.24 per 100,000 in NZ source

So thats 15x more... kind of nulls the rest of what you said

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#2919454 27-May-2022 14:53

This discussion is making me really, really angry. Madmen in the States are murdering children and you are discussing how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Some of you really need to get your heads out of your intellectual backsides!

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