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#3267200 1-Aug-2024 15:25

Rikkitic:

Putting aside for a moment the reasons why, Trump’s campaign seems to be imploding. He is making really bad decisions, like picking Vance for VP and agreeing to the black journalists interview. He says dumb things that don’t make any sense. He makes stuff up. He doesn’t prepare and he can’t focus. He doesn’t seem capable of reading a critical audience or adjusting his presentation accordingly. He is needlessly pugnacious when challenged and just rambles on, saying whatever comes into his head.

You see this and I see this. His stupid voters don't.

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#3267218 1-Aug-2024 15:57

Rikkitic:

Putting aside for a moment the reasons why, Trump’s campaign seems to be imploding. He is making really bad decisions, like picking Vance for VP and agreeing to the black journalists interview. He says dumb things that don’t make any sense. He makes stuff up. He doesn’t prepare and he can’t focus. He doesn’t seem capable of reading a critical audience or adjusting his presentation accordingly. He is needlessly pugnacious when challenged and just rambles on, saying whatever comes into his head.

I have to wonder how Biden is taking all this. Withdrawing from the race was really difficult for him and there have been suggestions he feels upset and bitter about it. Does he now feel that he may have made his decision too soon, and if he had just held out a little longer, he could have ridden the wave the way Kamela Harris is now doing? That must be hard for him to wrap his head around.

not sure how to unpack this, maybe use numbers

1 momentum is just plain hype but it's like a freight train, once the Trump train started to gather momentum, it's very unlikely to be overturned, like a popular consumer product, the media was picking on Biden as they seem to like kicking people when they're down

2 so Biden needed to step aside for someone to try to spark something before it's too late

3 a spark is fast becoming a bonfire, and the mainstream media, instead of picking on Biden is now picking on Trump

4 Trump's campaign appears to be imploding because of the portrayal of the mainstream media, and their mainstream polls

5 recall that the mainstream polls predicted a landslide Hilary Clinton win and their polls were wrong

6 so whether or not Trump's voters are jumping ship we will only know in November - these guys don't watch TV and likely don't get called in the polls. they all live in an alternate reality where their truth is not my truth/your truth, and they want a different America. based on many right wing political change around the globe in recent times, i won't discount an improbable Trump/Vance win

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#3267228 1-Aug-2024 16:15

Batman:

Shapiro might be the tactical choice but I'm really impressed by this guy

Yes Pete is brilliant. In an ideal world voter numbers shouldnt matter. But hes got a lot of time ahead of him, well if Trump doesn't coup from the inside that is.

The Dems could sweep not just the rust belt but the sun belt swing states. Long way to go of course and only voting really matters.

I know the Dems have gone from the Democracy at stake strategy to the "Trump/JD are just weird", but I dont think they should stop pointing out how what Trump says/does and the people in his team are still a danger to democracy which both JD and Trump want. and the proof is overwhelming. They might bring it back into play, right now her "as a prosecutor...... I know his type" opening rally spiel is punchy and spells out 3 major moral problems with DT.

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#3267256 1-Aug-2024 17:24

Rikkitic:

Does he now feel that he may have made his decision too soon, and if he had just held out a little longer, he could have ridden the wave the way Kamela Harris is now doing?

There would have been no wave if he had stayed in. The swap to Harris has created it.

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#3267262 1-Aug-2024 17:59

GO KAMALA

Vice President Kamala Harris made what she referred to as the “full-on attack” on fundamental freedom and rights a central part of her remarks Wednesday in Houston.

“Across our nation, we are witnessing a full-on attack on hard-fought, hard-won fundamental freedoms and rights,” Harris said at a gathering of the Sigma Gamma Rho sorority.

“The freedom to vote, the freedom to be safe from gun violence, the freedom to live without fear of bigotry and hate, the freedom to love who you love - openly and with pride, the freedom to learn and acknowledge America’s true and full history and the freedom of a woman to make decisions about her own body and not have her government tell her what to,” the vice president said.

Pasted from my CNN app

Whilst the difficult we can do immediately, the impossible takes a bit longer. However, miracles you will have to wait for.

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#3267284 1-Aug-2024 19:43

TeaLeaf:

Is he on X? I would love to know his methodology.

I think so, under the same user name.

Saw an interesting election-related story or two this afternoon:

https://archive.ph/07b2b >> James is actually unusually unpopular (as has already been mentioned) for a VP pick, this looks at why

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/vance-had-a-bad-week-but-trump-is-still-counting-on-him-to-court-donors/ar-BB1qSjQ9?cvid=87fa25d89f4a4b92d36108206238a2c9&ei=32

Trump is hoping that James helps him raise money. But from who?

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#3267285 1-Aug-2024 19:45

Batman:

6 so whether or not Trump's voters are jumping ship we will only know in November - these guys don't watch TV and likely don't get called in the polls. they all live in an alternate reality where their truth is not my truth/your truth, and they want a different America. based on many right wing political change around the globe in recent times, i won't discount an improbable Trump/Vance win

https://www.thebulwark.com/p/new-right-vance-twitter-already-peaked >> maybe they've "hit their stride" already?

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#3267286 1-Aug-2024 19:48

freitasm:

Rikkitic:

Putting aside for a moment the reasons why, Trump’s campaign seems to be imploding. He is making really bad decisions, like picking Vance for VP and agreeing to the black journalists interview. He says dumb things that don’t make any sense. He makes stuff up. He doesn’t prepare and he can’t focus. He doesn’t seem capable of reading a critical audience or adjusting his presentation accordingly. He is needlessly pugnacious when challenged and just rambles on, saying whatever comes into his head.

You see this and I see this. His stupid voters don't.

Or they deflect with something like "waaahhh!! The liberal mainstream media are picking on Trump! Leave him alone, he's a victim!" 🙄

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#3267299 1-Aug-2024 20:49

Rikkitic:

VP doesn't certify, just presides over process. No power to change anything. That is what Pence realised and Trump didn't.

Sorry for adding more (late) to this reply, I found the piece of legislation I was thinking of that was passed in the wake of January 6, especially around the part where Trump and his mob thought Pence (as VP) could just "decide" which electoral votes to accept and which not to accept:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_Count_Reform_and_Presidential_Transition_Improvement_Act_of_2022

Congressional proceedings:

The law clarifies that the vice president's role in the counting of the electoral votes is "solely ministerial," with no power to "determine, accept, reject, or otherwise adjudicate or resolve disputes over the proper list of electors, the validity of electors, or the votes of electors."

Any objection made by senators or representatives during the counting of the electoral votes must be made in writing and signed by at least one-fifth of the senators and one-fifth of the members of the House of Representatives. Previously, an objection required the signatures of only one member of each chamber.

The law also limits the grounds for an objection to one of the following:

The electors of a state were not lawfully certified
An elector's vote was not "regularly given".

While the US shouldn't need a law like this to be in place, I guess the people who wrote the Constitution didn't think about a criminal like Trump running for president at the time they wrote it.

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#3267398 2-Aug-2024 09:09

The problem for many conservatives is "splitting"

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Splitting (also called binary thinking, black-and-white thinking, all-or-nothing thinking, or thinking in extremes) is the failure in a person's thinking to bring together the dichotomy of both perceived positive and negative qualities of something into a cohesive, realistic whole.

It is a common defense mechanism wherein the individual tends to think in extremes (e.g., an individual's actions and motivations are all good or all bad with no middle ground). This kind of dichotomous interpretation is contrasted by an acknowledgement of certain nuances known as 'shades of gray'.

So when Harris made headlines as being "Kamala Harris sworn in as first Indian-American senator" the conservative say "ah ha! she's not black"

And when another newspaper says "Kamala Harris becomes first female, first black VP" the conservative say "ah ha! she's not Indian-American"

The possibility that she's Black and Indian-American never crosses their mind, because often the same people think "I'm white and they are not white"

At least the BBC got it right: "Kamala Harris becomes first female, first black and first Asian-American VP"

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#3267414 2-Aug-2024 10:19

kingdragonfly: The problem for many conservatives is "splitting"

Both sides are as bad as each other.

Media is biased to their assigned side. And much of the masses have been sucked into it.

Because of this hyper-partisan politics, and being faced with a non-optimal situation (where one side has a very abrasive character pitted against someone who nobody in the party formally voted for), they are facing a very chaotic election.

Trump has the edge currently. He's used every single attack on him to his advantage. As someone who mentioned he is cunning not smart, this is true.

But Harris hasn't demonstrated any cunning or smarts yet. So far it's mostly been the propaganda wing that's been batting for her.

The real fireworks are going to start from the DNC, in a couple weeks.

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#3267426 2-Aug-2024 10:44

sudo:

Trump has the edge currently. He's used every single attack on him to his advantage. As someone who mentioned he is cunning not smart, this is true.

Oh, I don't think he did himself any favours the other night: https://www.politico.com/news/2024/08/01/donald-trump-kamala-harris-attack-plan-00172178

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#3267430 2-Aug-2024 10:48

sudo:

Both sides are as bad as each other.

If you really think that I can only offer my sympathy.

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#3267495 2-Aug-2024 11:45

quickymart:

Oh, I don't think he did himself any favours the other night: https://www.politico.com/news/2024/08/01/donald-trump-kamala-harris-attack-plan-00172178

Politico is just another media outlet that is Democrat leaning (like Fox news is arguably Republican leaning)

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/politico-media-bias

You aren't going to see any serious candidate polls until after the DNC

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#3267497 2-Aug-2024 11:53

sudo: Both sides are as bad as each other.

Perhaps I wasn't clear. Trump and a number of right-leaning press are obsessing on Kamala Harris race.

In particular they are asking the binary question: is she claiming to be black or is she claiming to be Indian-American?

What seems inconceivable is she's both. Harris, whose mother is Indian and father is Jamaican.

I wonder how'd they react to somehow claiming to be ambidextrous, able to use the right and left hands equally well. Perhaps it's "You lie. That's impossible!"

On a different subject, while Trump wishes Kamala's parents were illiterate refugees looking for a life of rape, crime and government handouts, they aren't.

Kamala's father Donald Harris, 85, is an emeritus professor at Stanford University whose research interests include economic history, macroeconomics, economics of technology, and development economics, according to his Stanford profile.

Her mother Shyamala Gopalan was a scientist whose work was described as sparking “many advances” in “the role of progesterone and its cellular receptor in breast biology and cancer,” activist organization Breast Cancer Action published in 2009.

They have also accused Kamala of being a DEI hire, and only getting "government checks": both are dog-whistles for white-supremist.

If white supremist are so interested in parentage, and government handouts, maybe they should look at their own candidate's and Elon Musk first.

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