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#2891759 24-Mar-2022 22:37

neb: We're just talking past each other here, go and google "doctrine of command responsibility" and then we can continue the discussion. Or, to make it easy for you, quoting the Oxford Bibliographies in International Law:
The doctrine of command or superior responsibility stipulates that a superior—a military or civilian leader—can be held criminally responsible when his subordinates commit international crimes. The doctrine has become part of customary international law and has been incorporated into the statutes of the international criminal tribunals and into the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court (ICC).

Link please

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#2891762 24-Mar-2022 22:46

Putin demands gas payments in Rubles. Russian currency goes up after announcement.

Be interesting to see if Europe complies.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-23/putin-wants-hostile-states-to-pay-rubles-for-gas-interfax-says

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#2891776 24-Mar-2022 23:34

neb:
rugrat:

When Biden said war crimes got the impression slip of tongue and not official, as you said at least it is an official position now, but it doesn’t point at the Russian leadership, just members of the military.

The doctrine of command responsibility a.k.a. the Yamashita standard means Putin will almost certainly be held responsible. The comments in the story on this indicated that that's what they're looking at.

You've replied to the quoted post in a different context than it was written and also mine.

The White Houses' "official view" that Putin committed War Crimes is just that - a Point of View, with no legal weight.

Simply put Washington on the record supports any potential investigation and/or legal proceedings against Russian commanders charges of War Crimes.

That is NOT the same as Biden stating "Putin committed War Crimes".

War Crimes or Crimes Against Humanity convictions are determined by ICC trial, not Politicians.

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#2891790 25-Mar-2022 06:27

Sideface:

The Washington Post - Top Russian military leaders repeatedly decline calls from U.S., prompting fears of ‘sleepwalking into war’

today

Lack of communication leaves the world’s two largest nuclear powers in the dark about explanations for military movements from senior officials.

Repeated attempts by the United States’ top defense and military leaders to speak with their Russian counterparts have been rejected by Moscow for the last month ...

It remains unclear why Russia’s top generals have refused to hold calls with their U.S. counterparts.

“I suspect that the problem lies with the Russian insistence that this is a ‘special military operation’ and unwillingness to admit the real nature of the war,” said Angela Stent, a Russia scholar at Georgetown University. ...

The generals may also be waiting on Putin’s approval to make the calls, given the high stakes of the conflict, and he may not be signing off.

Another theory is that Putin may now view the United States as a determined adversary bent on his downfall and not worth engaging.

Russian officials bristled at Biden calling Putin a “war criminal,” saying it could lead to a complete break in relations.

Id say its just a power play. Playing hard to get. Gives Putin the feeling of being the master, in control. Matches his emotional bend on his emotional needs.

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#2891791 25-Mar-2022 06:35

rugrat:

Putin demands gas payments in Rubles. Russian currency goes up after announcement.

Be interesting to see if Europe complies.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-23/putin-wants-hostile-states-to-pay-rubles-for-gas-interfax-says

Its outside the terms of the contracts. So its a no go. Russian stick market opened up trading for I think, 15 stocks, all going well. Except its fake news. Its a lot like Trump, say and do stupid things, unaware that everyone else sees through it, and the lies.

Fixated. But Id have to say, with his emotional need to Make USSR Great Again, his brain must be doing it hard with virtually everything related to the war, and Russia, being negative. Early on while media praised the resolve of Ukraine, we all knew it was a slam dunk, and Russia would roll them. My God, how its evolved. Now, there are areas where Russia is being pushed back, a ship destroyed in a Russian held port. If he cracks, and there is an "accidental" strike on NATO land , or a sniff of chemical warfare, it may well be over the red line, and NATO attack hard.

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#2891812 25-Mar-2022 08:30

It's not that they are unaware what the world thinks.

It's called local propaganda so the citizens are kept brainwashed and don't revolt.

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#2891818 25-Mar-2022 08:55

K8Toledo:

kingdragonfly: Is this the video?

Amanpour pushes back on Kremlin spokesperson

Yep

Disgusting, sickening bullcrap from Peskov. Can't watch.

Trump crowned? No faux King way!

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#2891832 25-Mar-2022 09:20

Is Vlad Mad or Bad.
A past adviser argues he is bad, and entirely logical in his pursuit of the old empire.
He bets on the calculated assessment the west backs down, and wins, then raises the stakes.
His rhetoric is deliberate tactic to manipulate as much as lies and deception part of the game.

Andrey Illarionov is an economist and former economic policy advisor to the president of Russia, Vladimir Putin from April 2000 to December 2005.
Ex-Putin Advisor: "He Must Be Stopped"
https://youtu.be/hl_nWwx2B7w

Its a bit long but broken up in chapters with links in description.

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#2892136 25-Mar-2022 15:50

Amazon can make money on any crisis. This tshirt is selling like crazy. As usual Amazon doesn't supply in New Zealand.

Before spending up to $65 for this tshirt, you may want to see if any money is going to charity. I'm not seeing any.

Amazon: ATO Cross Tryzub Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky President T-Shirt

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#2892141 25-Mar-2022 16:02

Here's a "Pootin" 3D model, for you geeks with 3d printers.

Warning: doesn't protect from polonium-210 poisoning

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#2892149 25-Mar-2022 16:34

The battle of Irpin: Meeting the Ukrainian resistance

FRANCE 24 English

In Irpin, just outside the Ukrainian capital Kyiv, a multi-faceted resistance movement is preparing to face the approaching Russian troops. Our team met Bohdan, a Ukrainian artist; Maxime, a Russian artist; and Sergiy, a Ukrainian member of the French Foreign Legion. All of them will play a role in defending their city. FRANCE 24's Cyril Payen and Georges Yazbeck report.

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#2892157 25-Mar-2022 17:07

kingdragonfly: Amazon can make money on any crisis. This tshirt is selling like crazy. As usual Amazon doesn't supply in New Zealand.

Before spending up to $65 for this tshirt, you may want to see if any money is going to charity. I'm not seeing any.

Amazon: ATO Cross Tryzub Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky President T-Shirt

If ALL the money from this, every cent, is not going to Ukraine, then shame on them. Damn them to hell.

People are dying. Cities are being destroyed. Homes are being razed. Hospitals and schools are being bombed to rubble. Anyone who makes 1 kopek off this humanitarian disaster and does not pass it on to the victims is cursed and should die a lonely, painful, prolonged death.

Plesse igmore amd axxept applogies in adbance fir anu typos

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#2892158 25-Mar-2022 17:09

ezbee:

Is Vlad Mad or Bad.
A past adviser argues he is bad, and entirely logical in his pursuit of the old empire.
He bets on the calculated assessment the west backs down, and wins, then raises the stakes.
His rhetoric is deliberate tactic to manipulate as much as lies and deception part of the game.

Andrey Illarionov is an economist and former economic policy advisor to the president of Russia, Vladimir Putin from April 2000 to December 2005.
Ex-Putin Advisor: "He Must Be Stopped"
https://youtu.be/hl_nWwx2B7w

Its a bit long but broken up in chapters with links in description.

I am only half way through but I will definitely get back to finish it. It all now seems obvious what should have been done to stop bloody Putin. Bullies don't stop by giving them a tongue lashing. Threats of sanctions and other non direct military support have never stopped the tanks when they start rolling, he says.

When do we decide to intervene with weapons and troops? What number of destroyed cities and number of refugees does it take?

Bullies have to be faced up.

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#2892160 25-Mar-2022 17:11

linw:

When do we decide to intervene with weapons and troops? What number of destroyed cities and number of refugees does it take?

Bullies have to be faced up.

With some of the "leaders" we currently have around the world it will be only thoughts and prayers, resulting in Ukraine being completely destroyed...

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#2892242 25-Mar-2022 20:32

freitasm:
With some of the "leaders" we currently have around the world it will be only thoughts and prayers, resulting in Ukraine being completely destroyed...

I'm particularly disappointed with Germany continuing to pump money into Russia's war machine because not doing so would drive up their heating bills... Olaf Scholz (German chancellor) gave a speech on this a few days ago which didn't announce any changes to oil and gas imports but was mostly self-congratulatory about what a good job they've been doing.

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