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#3172309 16-Dec-2023 10:58

OUCH !!!!

The NY Times - Jury Orders Giuliani to Pay $148 Million to Election Workers He Defamed

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A federal jury on Friday ordered Rudolph W. Giuliani to pay two former Georgia election workers more than $148 million for destroying their reputations and causing them extreme emotional distress by spreading baseless lies that they had tried to steal a victory from President Donald J. Trump after the 2020 presidential election. ...

The jury awarded Ms. Freeman and Ms. Moss a combined $75 million in punitive damages. It also ordered Mr. Giuliani to pay compensatory damages of $16.2 million to Ms. Freeman and $16.9 million to Ms. Moss, as well as $20 million to each of them for emotional suffering.

The downside is that they will be lucky to get a small fraction of this amount - Rudy is probably broke - his net worth is unknown because he refused to comply with routine trial disclosures.

EDIT : Even worse news for Rudy: Intentional torts like defamation are not dischargeable in bankruptcy.

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#3172315 16-Dec-2023 11:48

He will always have Borat, though.

Plesse igmore amd axxept applogies in adbance fir anu typos

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#3172322 16-Dec-2023 12:25

One wonders how much the two ladies will actually see, however.

Also, this bit cracked me up: https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/giuliani-defamation-trial/?id=105479446

When asked by reporters why he didn't testify, Giuliani said he believed the judge was threatening him with contempt.

"I didn't testify because the judge made it clear that if I made any mistake or did anything wrong, she was considering contempt," Giuliani said.

What a load of crap. He used to be a lawyer! Constantly playing the victim, like his favourite orange hero 🙄

Conversely, the moron seemed to have quite a lot to say to reporters during the trial outside the courthouse...just not in the courtroom, where it might have meant something.

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#3172329 16-Dec-2023 12:34

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The NY Times - Jury Orders Giuliani to Pay $148 Million to Election Workers He Defamed

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A federal jury on Friday ordered Rudolph W. Giuliani to pay two former Georgia election workers more than $148 million for destroying their reputations and causing them extreme emotional distress by spreading baseless lies that they had tried to steal a victory from President Donald J. Trump after the 2020 presidential election. ...

The jury awarded Ms. Freeman and Ms. Moss a combined $75 million in punitive damages. It also ordered Mr. Giuliani to pay compensatory damages of $16.2 million to Ms. Freeman and $16.9 million to Ms. Moss, as well as $20 million to each of them for emotional suffering.

I'm sure Trump will help Giuliani pay the punitive damages.

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#3172361 16-Dec-2023 15:10

Note: I'm an atheist. From Eighth chapter of the Book of Hosea in the Hebrew Bible or the Old Testament of the Christian Bible:

"They sow the wind and reap the whirlwind. The stalk has no head; it will produce no flour. Were it to yield grain, foreigners would swallow it up."

In this verse, the "stranger" or "foreigners" are a metaphors for enemies.

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#3172365 16-Dec-2023 15:23

18 minute video

Verdict! Giuliani gets wiped out by jury in defamation case

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#3172367 16-Dec-2023 16:27

The Washington Post - Opinion - Ginny Thomas’s husband should recuse

15 Dec 2023

The Supreme Court said this week it will consider whether Donald Trump can be
prosecuted for his actions as president - specifically, in the Jan. 6 case.

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#3172432 16-Dec-2023 16:41

The Washington Post - Opinion - Santa’s toxic list

14 Dec 2023

Clarence and Rudy are both in there.

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#3172443 16-Dec-2023 17:36

freitasm: I'm sure Trump will help Giuliani pay the punitive damages.

According to the BBC: In September, Mr Trump reportedly hosted a $100,000-a-plate dinner at his golf club in Bedminster, New Jersey, to raise money for a legal defence fund for Mr Giuliani.

[ I doubt whether they raised $148 million. ] 😟

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#3172554 17-Dec-2023 07:19

Starting at 1 minute 20 second mark , during an appearance on MSNBC's "The Katie Phang Show," former U.S. Attorney Barbara McQuade stated that cash-strapped Rudy Giuliani may not be able to appeal the massive $148 million judgment levied against him for defaming two Georgia poll workers.

"That's an interesting question because one of the things that is a bit of an obstacle to an appeal is the idea that in Georgia a person has to post what is known as an appeal bond," she told the host. "The idea behind an appeal bond is that an appeal could be filed for good faith reasons and it could also be filed for delaying the payday."

"So to avoid the latter, litigants are required to pay in advance an appeal bond which is usually something more than the amount of the judgment so that it's there in case there was a finality on the case," she continued.

"I don't know that Rudy Giuliani is going to get an appeal bond so he might not be able to do it at all. I think one remedy he does have available is what is known as remitter, which is filing a motion with the trial court that handled the case to say that this amount is excessive. But even if there is some reduction in this amount we are still talking about tens of millions of dollars here."

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#3172558 17-Dec-2023 07:40

PoliticsJOE

We popped down to the Private Eye offices to catch up with BBC satirical quiz show Have I Got News for You comedian Ian Hislop to mark the release of the 2023 Private Eye annual.

We roll back the months in what has proved to be yet another unhinged year of British politics, touching on the coronation, the scandal surrounding the Scottish National Party, SNP, the Covid inquiry and Prime Minister Rishi Sunak's weak attempts to steady the creaking ship that is the Conservative Party.

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#3172559 17-Dec-2023 07:54

Great example of hypocrisy from Trump's kids here:

This is quite fitting after the events of the week too:

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#3172800 17-Dec-2023 19:39

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/16/opinions/well-deserved-verdict-against-giuliani-nelson/index.html Indeed.

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#3172907 18-Dec-2023 09:32

The NY Times - Opinion - Behold, MAGA Man

Giuliani's trial lays bare what a MAGA Man is ...

The first thing you need to know about a MAGA Man like Giuliani is that he’s dishonest.

Truthfulness is incompatible with Trumpism. Trump is a liar, and he demands fealty to his lies. So Giuliani’s task, as Trump’s lawyer, was to lie on his behalf, and lie he did. He even repeated his lies about Freeman and Moss - the same lies to which he’d already confessed - outside the courthouse during his trial.

A MAGA Man such as Giuliani supplements his lies with rage.

To watch him pushing Trump’s election lies was to watch a man become unglued with anger. The rage merged with the lie. The rage helped make the lie stick. Why would a man like Giuliani, former prosecutor and hero mayor, be so angry if he hadn’t discovered true injustice? MAGA Men and Women are very good at using their credibility from the past to cover their lies in the present.

Amid the lies and rage, however, a MAGA Man like Giuliani also finds religion.

But not in the way you might expect. No, MAGA Man is not sorry for what he’s done. Instead, he feels biblically persecuted. Freeman and Moss aren’t the real victims; he is. Moreover, he also knows that the base is religious and likes to hear its politicians talk about God. Giuliani learned that lesson well. So during the trial, he compared himself to Christians in the Colosseum, battling the lions like the martyrs of old. ...

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#3173204 18-Dec-2023 18:57

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freitasm: I'm sure Trump will help Giuliani pay the punitive damages.

According to the BBC: In September, Mr Trump reportedly hosted a $100,000-a-plate dinner at his golf club in Bedminster, New Jersey, to raise money for a legal defence fund for Mr Giuliani.

[ I doubt whether they raised $148 million. ] 😟

I am sure that by the time Trump took out "expenses"....Rudy ended up with a free meal.

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