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  #1979795 19-Mar-2018 12:45
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Prompted to post this after hearing the news on RNZ speculation "if Trump fires Mueller".

 

Trump can't directly fire Mueller, that would be up to the Attorney General, but Sessions has recused himself from the enquiry (and Trump was not happy about that). Deputy AG Rosenstein has the authority, then if he recused himself it steps down again.  It's complicated:

 

https://s3.amazonaws.com/storage.citizensforethics.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/06181615/Why-Trump-Cant-Easily-Remove-Mueller%E2%80%94and-What-Happens-If-He-Tries-12.6.17.pdf

 

There are so many fish hooks Trump could skewer himself on and so much risk, especially as he's now got a twitter-trail where he's almost self-incriminated by comments gloating about (partisan) reasons for vile actions he's had carried out. (ie gloating about firing McCabe, when that was supposed to have been up to the justice department - not an executive decision by POTUS etc) Those fall short (only just) of obstruction of justice - and he could easily tip the balance.

 

If he goes ahead pressuring the Justice Department to fire Mueller and/or end the enquiry, then I think it's a safe bet that he knows that Mueller has something on him so damning that it will end his presidency.  I think he might be cornered / running out of options - but continuing to attack Mueller and the enquiry is probably the safest bet perhaps for now.  Long may that continue. I'd rather see Trump lose big time on the mid-terms and stumble the end of his term, hurting the GOP as much as possible with every tweet and rant, than to see Pence take over with his extremely dangerous form of "christian" social conservatism.

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  #1979907 19-Mar-2018 15:05
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freitasm:

 

dclegg:

 

Based on all the noise and bluster from Trump this weekend, I wouldn't be surprised if this is the week that he finally makes his move to have Mueller fired. When this happens, it will be very interesting to see how America as a whole reacts to this. 

 

 

I really hope Muller has a dead man switch prepared for this situation.

 

 

Sadly I dont believe there is one. I think there maybe some truth to Trumps Acts, but they tend to be more about his stupidity rather than intent. 

 

I have kind of given up on this whole mess as I still have a lot of trouble understanding what happened to allow this guy in. Also not sure why the #metoo people havnt got him for sexual abuse like all the others. Afterall he did admit it and there seem to be enough victims.

 

If America wants him out there has to be different ways of doing it then trying to find collusion with Soviets.

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  #1980034 19-Mar-2018 17:43
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Back in Black - Trump's Golfing Milestone | The Daily Show

"In first 400 days as president, Trump has spent 100 days golfing"



Trump's previous quotes about Obama:

"Obama plays more golf than PGA professionals on tour."

"For him to be playing golf, I think it's very inappropriate."

"He's going to play golf like so many times."

"golf, golf, golf, golf, golf, more, more"

"He played more golf than Tiger Woods"

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  #1980041 19-Mar-2018 17:51
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kingdragonfly: Back in Black - Trump's Golfing Milestone | The Daily Show

"In first 400 days as president, Trump has spent 100 days golfing"

<snip>

 

Golf is Good.

 

Whitehouse staff encourage Trump to play as much golf as possible, to keep him away from watching Fox News and the temptation to Tweet.

 

In doing so, they are doing a public service, and are acting in the best interests of the American people.  smile

 




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  #1980087 19-Mar-2018 19:17
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Sideface:

 

kingdragonfly: Back in Black - Trump's Golfing Milestone | The Daily Show

"In first 400 days as president, Trump has spent 100 days golfing"

 

Golf is Good.

 

 

Well done Sideface and Kingdragonfly!

 

Keep them coming. Such a much more refreshing and humorous take on what is a sad situation. It makes me once again want to look into this thread, if only for a good laugh.

 

Well done!

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  #1980292 20-Mar-2018 08:45
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I'm keeping an eye on Channel 4 (UK) who did a long-term hidden camera sting operation on Cambridge Analytica, and are apparently screening it about now.  They (Ch 4) have said through twitter that it'll be uploaded to youtube in 24 hours.  This follows on from claims made by the whistleblower Christopher Wylie (self described as "the gay Canadian vegan who somehow ended up creating Steve Bannon’s psychological warfare mindf&%k tool”).

 

 

 

In an undercover investigation by Channel 4 News, the company’s chief executive Alexander Nix said the British firm secretly campaigns in elections across the world. This includes operating through a web of shadowy front companies, or by using sub-contractors.

 

In one exchange, when asked about digging up material on political opponents, Mr Nix said they could “send some girls around to the candidate’s house”, adding that Ukrainian girls “are very beautiful, I find that works very well”.

 

In another he said: “We’ll offer a large amount of money to the candidate, to finance his campaign in exchange for land for instance, we’ll have the whole thing recorded, we’ll blank out the face of our guy and we post it on the Internet.”

 

Along with Mr Nix, the meetings also included Mark Turnbull, the managing director of CA Political Global, and the company’s chief data officer, Dr Alex Tayler.

 

Mr Turnbull described how, having obtained damaging material on opponents, Cambridge Analytica can discreetly push it onto social media and the internet.

 

He said: “… we just put information into the bloodstream of the internet, and then, and then watch it grow, give it a little push every now and again… like a remote control. It has to happen without anyone thinking, ‘that’s propaganda’, because the moment you think ‘that’s propaganda’, the next question is, ‘who’s put that out?’.”

 

Mr Nix also said: “…Many of our clients don’t want to be seen to be working with a foreign company… so often we set up, if we are working then we can set up fake IDs and websites, we can be students doing research projects attached to a university, we can be tourists, there’s so many options we can look at. I have lots of experience in this.”

 

 

 

 

This may have all been carried out independently of what went on at the Internet Research Agency in Russia, then again it might not have been.  If not, then it still may not be "proof of collusion", but it's damning nonetheless.

 

So now - as if anybody should have ever doubted it - Facebook is pretty much outed as a surveillance company masquerading as social media.  For two years they sat on the fact of "misuse" of data they'd voluntarily passed on as they claim that they'd been deceived into thinking it was for a "university research project" , but which was then used to target users with individualised political messages.  They're still "stretching the truth" in my opinion by claiming that this "was not a data breach".  Sure this wasn't a "hack", but they were either hoodwinked into - (or they should have always known anyway the likely consequences of) giving away data on 50 million users with IIRC up to 5000 "data points" on each user.

 

Article here:

 

Gizomodo - This Time, Facebook Really Might Be "borked"

 

(tiny URL link - GZ rejected profanity in link)

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  #1980804 21-Mar-2018 07:54
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So, we have the ex-president visiting NZ for a few days.    I wonder if Obama ever thinks whether his whole hearted support for HRC in the closing days of the campaign may have had two unintended consequences.    Firstly, it could have been ineffective at getting out the Democrat voters in the rust belt states and Florida?   And secondly, did it really help to motivate the Trump base to get out and vote?   Let's say a poor white voter in one of the rust belt state whose family found employment hard to come by after NAFTA.   The Democrats had done nothing for these states.    And another white voter in one of those states who was not very motivated to vote but really disliked Obama? 


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  #1980811 21-Mar-2018 08:02
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Wait for Trump to com play "President Obama is playing golf this weekend in NZ. Too much golf. Sad!"

His followers will even believe...




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  #1980822 21-Mar-2018 08:21
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freitasm: Wait for Trump to com play "President Obama is playing golf this weekend in NZ. Too much golf. Sad!"

His followers will even believe...

 

What?

 

That Obama goes to golf resorts to hook up with porn stars?

 

It's been 10 days since Trump mentioned Obama in a tweet.  Too many other people to attack.

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  #1980823 21-Mar-2018 08:25
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You Missed the sarcasm. Presidents are called President even after they leave office. If Trump were to write something about President Obama now some people would still believe by playing golf Obama was sacrificing his time I never office, even more than a year after Trump took the oath.




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  #1981105 21-Mar-2018 16:40
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And Obama and Aung San Suu Kyi will always be called Nobel Peace Prize recipients.    The fact that they are totally unworthy recipients of that prize does not alter the fact.

 

 

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  #1981114 21-Mar-2018 16:53
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CNN, March 21 - Trump congratulates Putin on winning reelection, gets slammed by McCain

 

 

Trump's decision to congratulate Putin on his electoral win drew consternation from McCain who said that "an American president does not lead the free world by congratulating dictators on winning sham elections."

 

 




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  #1981236 21-Mar-2018 21:14
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NBCNews - Lie detector test indicates Stormy Daniels truthful about Trump affair

 

 

In the opinion of the polygraph examiner, Daniels was truthful about having unprotected sex with Donald Trump in July 2006.

 

Adult film actress Stormy Daniels underwent a polygraph exam in 2011* about her relationship with Donald Trump, and the examiner found there was a more than 99 percent probability she told the truth ...

 

 

* Long before Trump announced his candidacy for the presidency.

 




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  #1981439 22-Mar-2018 12:35
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March 21 - Donald Trump Has Never Been More Dangerous Than He Is Now

 

A detailed opinion piece, well worth reading - scary stuff ...

 

EXTRACTS:

 

 

     

  1. The “adults” in the West Wing have never had less influence over the president.
  2. Trump’s path to a war with North Korea has never been easier to envision.
  3. Trump has never had a stronger incentive to undermine rule of law in the United States.
  4. It’s never been clearer that Congressional Republicans are unwilling to act as a check on Trump’s worst impulses.

 

This all illustrates the enormous stakes of November’s elections.
A Democratic House would have the power to subject the Trump administration to vigorous oversight ...
By contrast, the survival of the GOP’s majority could embolden Trump to indulge his most destructive and authoritarian instincts more wantonly.

 

 

 

 




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  #1981532 22-Mar-2018 14:23
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Car has a driver. No steering wheel, no responsibility.

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