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#1827285 22-Jul-2017 20:39

Rikkitic:

Wiggum:

The graph is actually pointless.

As per the website:

Absence of a definition of homelessness, agreed to by most nations, hampers meaningful comparisons.

Its similar to the definition of "Poverty". Its definition is different depending on where you are in the world.

Poverty as defined in New Zealand are the households that make less than 60 per cent of the median disposable income.

Its got nothing to do with how much food the poor have, or where they sleep, or if they have shoes. Instead its based on what most people in NZ earn. Therefore no matter how rich we get, we will always have a class of people that are described as living in poverty. Thats why I never take any NZ politician seriously when they start talking about poverty in NZ. We really have none. Its an insult to countries that face actual poverty. We very lucky in NZ, everybody here is actually very well off when compared to most of the rest of the world.

You sure do know a lot. Such an expert on housing, social welfare, politics, what have you. Full of declamations. This is, that isn't, no room for doubt at all. In fact, you sound a lot like Donald Trump. You must have so much life experience. I bet you're rich as well. Ahh, such wisdom. It drips. Off. You.

My you sure resentful. What has my financial status got to do with anything? You got something against the rich or wealthy it seems? Tall poppy Syndrome maybe?

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#1827286 22-Jul-2017 20:43

You are so smart and knowledgeable, how could you possibly not be rich? Isn't that the measure of these things?

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#1827330 22-Jul-2017 21:44

I don't want to send you two to the corner for a week so stop discussing yourselves and go back on topic.

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#1827332 22-Jul-2017 21:55

Thanks Freitasm. I guess I needed a reminder. Sorry I was going a bit off track.

So back to topic. what is our definition for "Homeless"

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#1827335 22-Jul-2017 22:02

Wiggum:

Thanks Freitasm. I guess I needed a reminder. Sorry I was going a bit off track.

So back to topic. what is our definition for "Homeless"

I like Mikes definition. Others have indicated similarly

The visible evidence of homelessness that is people sleeping rough in the streets and parks, those sleeping in cars are the tip of the iceberg. Over crowding, substandard housing, garages, emergency housing are all the non visible symptoms. This does not take into account the health and complex social issues.

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#1827340 22-Jul-2017 22:08

tdgeek:

Wiggum:

Thanks Freitasm. I guess I needed a reminder. Sorry I was going a bit off track.

So back to topic. what is our definition for "Homeless"

I like Mikes definition. Others have indicated similarly

The visible evidence of homelessness that is people sleeping rough in the streets and parks, those sleeping in cars are the tip of the iceberg. Over crowding, substandard housing, garages, emergency housing are all the non visible symptoms. This does not take into account the health and complex social issues.

© MikeB4

I'm interested in an official definition. In my youth we slept rough, and in cars etc.. Some people may have even mistaken us for homeless in our growing up/party days.

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#1827348 22-Jul-2017 22:22

Wiggum:

tdgeek:

Wiggum:

Thanks Freitasm. I guess I needed a reminder. Sorry I was going a bit off track.

So back to topic. what is our definition for "Homeless"

I like Mikes definition. Others have indicated similarly

The visible evidence of homelessness that is people sleeping rough in the streets and parks, those sleeping in cars are the tip of the iceberg. Over crowding, substandard housing, garages, emergency housing are all the non visible symptoms. This does not take into account the health and complex social issues.

© MikeB4

I'm interested in an official definition. In my youth we slept rough, and in cars etc.. Some people may have even mistaken us for homeless in our growing up/party days.

As was posted earlier, different countries have differing definitions. The key is what is unacceptable. The litmus test is what would the average citizen find unacceptable, or demeaning, or a poor quality of life, perhaps.

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#1827361 22-Jul-2017 23:39

I wonder how we'd rate on this chart if we applied the same definition of homelessness to every country on Earth. We'd be nowhere near top one hundred. There are millions of middle eastern migrants living in temporary camps throughout Europe right now which fit NZ's definition of homelessness.

I think this is not really an indictment on NZ or the government but a sign of just how good our social safety net really is. We can comfortably broaden the definition we use for homelessness because we have such a small amount of actual (dictionary definition) homelessness that we barely register.

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#1827382 23-Jul-2017 01:58

UHD:
I wonder how we'd rate on this chart if we applied the same definition of homelessness to every country on Earth. We'd be nowhere near top one hundred. There are millions of middle eastern migrants living in temporary camps throughout Europe right now which fit NZ's definition of homelessness.

I think this is not really an indictment on NZ or the government but a sign of just how good our social safety net really is. We can comfortably broaden the definition we use for homelessness because we have such a small amount of actual (dictionary definition) homelessness that we barely register.

It is OECD countries only. Also I would pressume refugees like that wouldn't be included. We do have some in NZ too which are in temporary accomodation.

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#1827403 23-Jul-2017 07:43

mattwnz:
UHD:

I wonder how we'd rate on this chart if we applied the same definition of homelessness to every country on Earth. We'd be nowhere near top one hundred. There are millions of middle eastern migrants living in temporary camps throughout Europe right now which fit NZ's definition of homelessness.

I think this is not really an indictment on NZ or the government but a sign of just how good our social safety net really is. We can comfortably broaden the definition we use for homelessness because we have such a small amount of actual (dictionary definition) homelessness that we barely register.

It is OECD countries only. Also I would pressume refugees like that wouldn't be included. We do have some in NZ too which are in temporary accomodation.

Why would the homeless not include refugees?

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#1827433 23-Jul-2017 08:51

UHD:

mattwnz:
UHD:

I wonder how we'd rate on this chart if we applied the same definition of homelessness to every country on Earth. We'd be nowhere near top one hundred. There are millions of middle eastern migrants living in temporary camps throughout Europe right now which fit NZ's definition of homelessness.

I think this is not really an indictment on NZ or the government but a sign of just how good our social safety net really is. We can comfortably broaden the definition we use for homelessness because we have such a small amount of actual (dictionary definition) homelessness that we barely register.

It is OECD countries only. Also I would pressume refugees like that wouldn't be included. We do have some in NZ too which are in temporary accomodation.

Why would the homeless not include refugees?

To avoid double counting? Unless they are identified as both?

It clearly is a problem when people use information to create graphs that appear to show alarming disparity based on data that is not provided under the same guidelines. For example, how would NZ appear if it supplied the information using Japan's definition? Possibly much better.

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#1827437 23-Jul-2017 09:10

What about tourists traveling on a budget? Living it rough, seeing NZ on a budget. Technically they all homeless too.

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#1827441 23-Jul-2017 09:15

Wiggum:
What about tourists traveling on a budget? Living it rough, seeing NZ on a budget. Technically they all homeless too.

No, they are tourists and campers

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#1827445 23-Jul-2017 09:25

Wiggum:

What about tourists traveling on a budget? Living it rough, seeing NZ on a budget. Technically they all homeless too.

Best keep to the topic, thats silly. In ChCh EQ's we were in a motel for a month = homeless. Win Lotto, bowl the house and in a motel for 6 months = homeless

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#1827447 23-Jul-2017 09:28

MikeB4:
Wiggum:

What about tourists traveling on a budget? Living it rough, seeing NZ on a budget. Technically they all homeless too.

No, they are tourists and campers

Even the ones living out of their cars overstaying their visas?

Its really difficult discussing this one if there is no clear definition of what homeless means.

Does it include those without NZ Citizenship, living it rough on the streets etc. The social system does not support these people. It will be interesting to know how many of these homeless people are actually NZ citizens. I reckon our social system already has the ability of looking after NZ citizens pretty well. Its the ones that fall outside of this that are really getting the raw deal.

Whats your definition then of Kiwis in Aus, with no access to welfare living on the streets? Tourists and campers?

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