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#2971453 22-Sep-2022 09:28

Earbanean:

Yep, we're in total agreement there. I would also hate for Aotearoa to become part of Australia - or any other country for that matter.

Good job only New Zealand can become part of the Commonwealth of Australia then, not Aotearoa :-P

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#2971454 22-Sep-2022 09:30

Good grief. Call the country and cities what best fits you and yours. He’ll call it Loony Tunes Land if you want, kind of apt actually.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2971458 22-Sep-2022 09:34

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What unfettered power? Do we need a Constitution? We have one. If your points are valid and are not just opinions, then those issues exist regardless of us having a King as head of State or not.

Correct, but as things stand we have an established convention. To walk away from that would require a reasoned, rational debate about several intersecting issues including the Treaty, property rights, the role of the State, the rights of individuals, the nature of accountability in our current system and what we should aspire to, probably also the role of local government and so on.

As stated, I just don't see us being able to do that. The hysteria over Covid plus the implementation of and reaction to co-goverenance tells me there's not a lot of appetite for that on either side, from the general public or the political classes. If you can't get that basic process right then the status quo starts to look pretty good as an option.

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#2971460 22-Sep-2022 09:36

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Earbanean:

Yep, we're in total agreement there. I would also hate for Aotearoa to become part of Australia - or any other country for that matter.

Good job only New Zealand can become part of the Commonwealth of Australia then, not Aotearoa :-P

Now I'm really confused. You're now saying we "can become part of the Commonwealth of Australia". I thought you said you'd be offended if anyone even mentioned the possibility.

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#2971461 22-Sep-2022 09:36

Originally Aotearoa was supposed to be part of Australia in the grand colonial discovery but the Governor got to do the paperwork

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#2971469 22-Sep-2022 09:43

Earbanean:

Now I'm really confused. You're now saying we "can become part of the Commonwealth of Australia". I thought you said you'd be offended if anyone even mentioned the possibility.

The Australian constitution allows for New Zealand, not Aotearoa, to join the federation as a state of Australia if it so desires (we do not!). Less confused now?

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#2971474 22-Sep-2022 09:54

Oh hell no we are not joining Australia, they would have to join us or we build a wall, I know of a guy that can help with that.

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#2971475 22-Sep-2022 09:54

Lias:

Earbanean:

Now I'm really confused. You're now saying we "can become part of the Commonwealth of Australia". I thought you said you'd be offended if anyone even mentioned the possibility.

The Australian constitution allows for New Zealand, not Aotearoa, to join the federation as a state of Australia if it so desires (we do not!). Less confused now?

I think this is now getting way off topic from the OP Monarchy discussion. Maybe if you want to keep discussing the pros and cons of Aotearoa joining Aussie, perhaps a new thread would be better for that?

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#2971477 22-Sep-2022 10:00

MikeB4:
Rikkitic:

This thread perfectly illustrates why we should just leave things as they are.

As enjoyable as Geekzone is it is not indicative of Aotearoa as a whole. It is very much an echo chamber when it comes to these topics.

Where's this place called Aotearoa Mike??

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#2971479 22-Sep-2022 10:04

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Correct, but as things stand we have an established convention. To walk away from that would require a reasoned, rational debate about several intersecting issues including the Treaty, property rights, the role of the State, the rights of individuals, the nature of accountability in our current system and what we should aspire to, probably also the role of local government and so on.

As stated, I just don't see us being able to do that. The hysteria over Covid plus the implementation of and reaction to co-goverenance tells me there's not a lot of appetite for that on either side, from the general public or the political classes. If you can't get that basic process right then the status quo starts to look pretty good as an option.

Fair points. Would we be walking away from the established convention? I don't see why. Republic or not, if the current conventions, collection of documents that make up our unwritten Constitution have not kept up with evolving New Zealand, that could be revisited. A solution is to collate them all to one document, figuratively stapled together. All in one place. Assess all of the contents, suggest updates etc. Then the updated collection of documents can be placed into one official written Constitution. All of this is unrelated to the Replubls debate, but a modern updated version of a written Constitution would help resolve any modern day matters, and would be in place should the Republic debate be placed into a Referendum in the future.

The key points are that it works now, so no problem, but if it could be better, we can make it better, Republic or not

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#2971490 22-Sep-2022 10:07

Earbanean:

I think this is now getting way off topic from the OP Monarchy discussion. Maybe if you want to keep discussing the pros and cons of Aotearoa joining Aussie, perhaps a new thread would be better for that?

I mean this is the Off Topic forum, so I think that's working as intended?

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#2971494 22-Sep-2022 10:10

old3eyes:

Where's this place called Aotearoa Mike??

Enough of the trolling

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2971504 22-Sep-2022 10:17

@old3eyes:

Where's this place called Aotearoa Mike??

I think you missed my replies here and here.

So I will just quote the second one again so there's no doubt:

The discussion around the Aotearoa name seems to be a current racist dog whistle.

The topic is about New Zealand becoming a republic.

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#2971508 22-Sep-2022 10:29

freitasm:

I think you missed my replies here and here.

So I will just quote the second one again so there's no doubt:

The discussion around the Aotearoa name seems to be a current racist dog whistle.

The topic is about New Zealand becoming a republic.

I prefer the Sacha Baron Cohen approach to dealing with those attitudes.

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#2971510 22-Sep-2022 10:30

Earbanean:

I prefer the Sacha Baron Cohen approach to dealing with those attitudes.

Yes, I am about to start dishing out ban to people who claim to not be racist when being racist.

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