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#2212744 8-Apr-2019 12:06

Rikkitic:

networkn:

More strikes coming! Yay.

Wouldn't be happening if National had done a better job.

Wow, that's some "interpretation".

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#2212760 8-Apr-2019 12:16

I thought you would enjoy it.

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#2212806 8-Apr-2019 13:11

Posting random opinions on news reports without a link and a relevent quote to discuss is leading to very low quality discussion.

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#2212841 8-Apr-2019 14:07

Rikkitic:

networkn:

More strikes coming! Yay.

Wouldn't be happening if National had done a better job.

So this type of comment is ok, but "I believe the coalition will fail to deliver on all it's flagship policies" isn't ok? How is this "moving the discussion forward" exactly?

I note no rebuke for *your* comment either.

It's all very selective isn't it?

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#2212842 8-Apr-2019 14:07

gzt: Posting random opinions on news reports without a link and a relevent quote to discuss is leading to very low quality discussion.

It was the leading story on every news site this morning;

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12220213

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#2212858 8-Apr-2019 14:24

networkn:

Rikkitic:

networkn:

More strikes coming! Yay.

Wouldn't be happening if National had done a better job.

So this type of comment is ok, but "I believe the coalition will fail to deliver on all it's flagship policies" isn't ok? How is this "moving the discussion forward" exactly?

I note no rebuke for *your* comment either.

It's all very selective isn't it?

My comment was a light-hearted response to your comment celebrating the next wave of strikes. Oh wait, you were being sarcastic. Well that's okay so was I.

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#2212873 8-Apr-2019 14:34

I am unsure what folks want here. Do folks want the government to give the teachers all they are asking for thus avoiding and more industrial action and increasing taxation to fund it? Do folk want to government to hold fast and thus more industrial action? Do folks want the government to ban the teachers from industrial action?

What exactly do folks believe the government should do?

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2212907 8-Apr-2019 14:49

Are the teachers' demands unreasonable? If not, they should be met. Good teachers are important. They are the future.

Are the demands reasonable, but there just isn't enough money? Then there has to be negotiation. Same for all other disputes. Fairness is my yardstick.

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#2212909 8-Apr-2019 14:52

I believe the government will be dammed if they do, dammed if they don't no matter which way the go with any solution and probably by the same people.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2213031 8-Apr-2019 16:30

Rikkitic:

Are the teachers' demands unreasonable? If not, they should be met. Good teachers are important. They are the future.

Are the demands reasonable, but there just isn't enough money? Then there has to be negotiation. Same for all other disputes. Fairness is my yardstick.

Further to what you've written above:

Will increased resources, as that which has been specifically requested by teachers, result in better educational outcomes for students?

Will removing national standards, as requested, improve educational outcomes?

There are lots of statements being made, but little empirical data being presented to justify NZEI claims.

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#2213117 8-Apr-2019 17:42

MikeB4:

I believe the government will be dammed if they do, dammed if they don't no matter which way the go with any solution and probably by the same people.

I gave up on the politics discussions. As the arguments are based on pre determined bias and not a general debate of the pros and cons. My particular belief is that the teachers probably do have valid concerns. Im not aware that teachers issues were good as gold until the last election, at which point they are suddenly understaffed, under resourced and underpaid. If I mentioned "underfunding" that will get shot down as not relevant. So why bother debating???

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#2213215 8-Apr-2019 19:28

I'm waiting to see what Greater Auckland has to say once they've had the chance to dig into Twyford's comments about the North West.

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#2213287 8-Apr-2019 21:29

Teachers have been offered a massive increase at a extra cost of very approx $800M. They are being greedy!

The pot of gold isnt bottomless when we are still waiting on so many promises to be met eg health.

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#2213289 8-Apr-2019 21:38

The teacher unions have always been some of the most militant and obnoxious in this country. They are way over-playing their hand when the ERA mediator has described the offer from the government as being extremely generous in the current fiscal environment.

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#2213436 9-Apr-2019 11:34

GV27:
I'm waiting to see what Greater Auckland has to say once they've had the chance to dig into Twyford's comments about the North West.

I think you will find Greater Auckland doesn’t care about West Auckland. As long as those areas that are already served by an adequate bus service also get their light rail/trams.

Meanwhile in the North West you will be expected to self fund, like the residents of Hobsonville Point have done to get a weekend ferry service. Note to Mr Twyford and Mr Goff, the infrastructure is already there (water and wharves), all it needs is better support (and more car parking - but that’s a whole extra discussion by itself). And gee, no road use, no land required, in fact no vanity, I mean legacy infrastructure at all. And in the meantime 25000 extra people joining the queue at Westgate.

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