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#3006641 7-Dec-2022 07:54

GV27:

Where is he wrong? This has hands down been one of the worst weeks for this government that I can remember, and not one demotion, sacking or resignation has been forthcoming.

On the back of the RBNZ reappointment before their own internal review went public, it doesn't really seem like the government values performance in key roles, given what they are prepared to accept in lieu of it.

I wasn't accusing him of being wrong. Just of shrieking.

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#3006642 7-Dec-2022 07:58

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Health system failure

Mental health failure

Housing failure

Education failure

Tertiary education failure

Courts systems failure

In fact all public services has been so badly mismanaged you would think that National was in charge doing their worst.

Scarily, this is Labour doing their best.......

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#3006650 7-Dec-2022 08:47

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sir1963:

Health system failure

Mental health failure

Housing failure

Education failure

Tertiary education failure

Courts systems failure

In fact all public services has been so badly mismanaged you would think that National was in charge doing their worst.

Scarily, this is Labour doing their best.......

Its ALL parties, none of them are any better than the other.

I can not in good conscience vote for any of the major parties, so I will vote for Winston just to annoy the hell out of them

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#3006656 7-Dec-2022 08:56

sir1963:

Its ALL parties, none of them are any better than the other.

I can not in good conscience vote for any of the major parties, so I will vote for Winston just to annoy the hell out of them

A lot of this stuff was nowhere near as bad under National. Sure, Covid has been a disruptor, but you use that to excuse the CRL time-frame skipping out by months, not things like Light Rail not getting built at all.

All I can think of with voting for Winston is that you're going to find out if it's possible to achieve even less, although Winston usually secures some goodies for pensioners (like the ridiculous Winter Energy Payment) - although he usually secures more goodies for himself.

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#3006657 7-Dec-2022 08:57

sir1963:

Its ALL parties, none of them are any better than the other.

I can not in good conscience vote for any of the major parties, so I will vote for Winston just to annoy the hell out of them

Let's not forget Winston put Labour into power, albeit it for a $3b bribe.

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#3006661 7-Dec-2022 09:14

GV27:

sir1963:

Its ALL parties, none of them are any better than the other.

I can not in good conscience vote for any of the major parties, so I will vote for Winston just to annoy the hell out of them

A lot of this stuff was nowhere near as bad under National. Sure, Covid has been a disruptor, but you use that to excuse the CRL time-frame skipping out by months, not things like Light Rail not getting built at all.

All I can think of with voting for Winston is that you're going to find out if it's possible to achieve even less, although Winston usually secures some goodies for pensioners (like the ridiculous Winter Energy Payment) - although he usually secures more goodies for himself.

National was just better at hiding it.

Problem with politics it can years decades to show how the policy was bad.

For example, the time to prepare for your GP shortage was 10 years ago, National was in.

Labour however followed the same stupid path.

Our health system is broken and is only going to get worse.

We also have "There is no housing crisis" by National

Labour failed to fix it and actually made it worse.

Kainga Ora out to build vertical slums as fast as it can. Build them, fill them, abandon them, lets the tenants destroy once safe neighbourhoods.

There claims of "most houses in the 1970's" fails to mention that NZs population was 1/2 the size and we did not have all the automation we do now (eg prebuilt trusses and frames)

Leaky buildings, including hospitals, schools.

Tertiary education has slowly been winding down through lack of funding, that process is now accelerating.

If you want your kids to have a REAL degree, save up and send them overseas.

Ignoring Climate change, we may be past a tipping point already according to some scientists, we will know in another decade or 3.

Mental health is a disaster, has been since the 1980's. Labours just blindly throwing $2B at it achieved nothing.

In ALL of these disasters , both major parties have been complicit.

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#3006678 7-Dec-2022 09:26

We can not be held accountable for climate change, no matter what measures we put in place, even if we went carbon zero today, NZ contributes 0.3% of global gasses. We may box above our weight in many areas, but this is one where we are simply pissing into the wind

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#3006682 7-Dec-2022 09:32

I can't help thinking Labour is going to have to flip the circuit breaker to stop the slide in the Poll's. The latest Roy Morgan poll is one of the worst results ever for a sitting Labour government. No doubt the christmas break will help, they will be hoping all of the recent high profile issues will be forgotten in the new year. If it doesn't I think the PM is going to have to start making some tough decisions, the latest 3Water's entrenchment is a classic example. Not only was it a big mistake, the fix has been hopeless as well. MP's appear to be blaming each other, the PM is blaming no one and they just look like a government in disarray. I think if someone had fallen on their sword it would have left the PM looking like she was actually in control of things which it does not appear she is. I just don't think she has enough support, there is clearly some 'clans' within the party that are doing their own thing.

I saw a comment the other day on Twitter from John Minto which I think summed up the situation perfectly. Basically, he said that all the PM has turned out to be is good at PR, but unable to actually effect any real change.

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#3006685 7-Dec-2022 09:47

marmel:If it doesn't I think the PM is going to have to start making some tough decisions, the latest 3Water's entrenchment is a classic example. Not only was it a big mistake, the fix has been hopeless as well. MP's appear to be blaming each other, the PM is blaming no one and they just look like a government in disarray. I think if someone had fallen on their sword it would have left the PM looking like she was actually in control of things which it does not appear she is. I just don't think she has enough support, there is clearly some 'clans' within the party that are doing their own thing.

I believe we may well see a Labour implosion before the election next year.

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#3006686 7-Dec-2022 09:48

marmel:

I can't help thinking Labour is going to have to flip the circuit breaker to stop the slide in the Poll's.

I've said it before, this will be a re-run of the 2005 election and it will take a similar 'interest-free student loan' style bombshell to arrest the slide for Labour.

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#3006687 7-Dec-2022 09:49

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We can not be held accountable for climate change, no matter what measures we put in place, even if we went carbon zero today, NZ contributes 0.3% of global gasses. We may box above our weight in many areas, but this is one where we are simply pissing into the wind

There is such a thing as leadership.

Everyone one is waiting to be the last to jump, but someone has to be the first.

If we, the worlds biggest exporter of dairy products ( we are not the largest producer, India is 7 times bigger) are not willing, why should anyone else...ad infinitum...

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#3006698 7-Dec-2022 09:52

sen8or:

We can not be held accountable for climate change, no matter what measures we put in place, even if we went carbon zero today, NZ contributes 0.3% of global gasses. We may box above our weight in many areas, but this is one where we are simply pissing into the wind

This argument keeps getting dished up and I think it is a fake one. It is just an excuse to do nothing. If NZ actually did set an example, that would certainly have an international effect. It might actually set something in motion that would accumulate over time, encouraging and shaming others to join. Every avalanche starts with one small piece coming loose. Why shouldn't we be the first? Oh, it might cost us money. Better crawl back in the cave then. Let us hope someone braver and better than us does something.

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#3006699 7-Dec-2022 09:53

GV27:

marmel:

I can't help thinking Labour is going to have to flip the circuit breaker to stop the slide in the Poll's.

I've said it before, this will be a re-run of the 2005 election and it will take a similar 'interest-free student loan' style bombshell to arrest the slide for Labour.

There should be a law (which does have 75% majority vote to change) that prevents election "Bribes" with money held back deliberately from the tax payers to do this.

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#3006700 7-Dec-2022 10:01

I don't have an issue with climate reform and appreciate we'll need to do our bit to keep access to key markets for our export products, or at least appear to be doing so.

But I have a problem when more political capital is being spent on getting that over the line than housing, tax or other badly needed reforms; at least the ones that don't involve huge amounts of centralisation, because we seem to be quite prepared to expend all the political energy and credibility we have to make those ones happen.

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#3006723 7-Dec-2022 11:00

GV27:

I don't have an issue with climate reform and appreciate we'll need to do our bit to keep access to key markets for our export products, or at least appear to be doing so.

But I have a problem when more political capital is being spent on getting that over the line than housing, tax or other badly needed reforms; at least the ones that don't involve huge amounts of centralisation, because we seem to be quite prepared to expend all the political energy and credibility we have to make those ones happen.

There is no "appear to" about it, it should be the world Number 1 concern , not just more kicking the can down the road to make it the next governments problem.

Global warming is already impacting NZ.

And they all impact housing, tax, health, exports, etc etc etc too

Global climate change is now the cause of problems, you don't fix problems by throwing money at symptoms.

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