Donald Trump, US President #47, US President #45, convicted felon, twice impeached, four times indicted, liable of rape, convicted for financial fraud, guilty of hiding hush money payments to porn actress in attempt to influence 2016 elections

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#2293864 11-Aug-2019 07:53

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#2293871 11-Aug-2019 08:47

Epstein has"committed suicide".

Under more normal circumstances, apply Hanlon's razor, negligence and stupidity might work as an answer.

I think this will be talked about in 100 years, spawning thousands of conspiracy theories, I wonder which ones will stick.

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#2293872 11-Aug-2019 08:50

The Washington Post - Jeffrey Epstein dead after apparent suicide in New York jail

August 10 at 2:42 PM

Jeffrey Epstein, the politically connected financier and registered sex offender charged recently with sexually abusing dozens of young girls in the early 2000s, has died by "apparent suicide" while in jail, and the FBI is investigating, the Bureau of Prisons said Saturday.

Epstein, 66, was found unresponsive in his cell in the special housing unit of the Metropolitan Correctional Center in New York about 6:30 a.m., the Bureau of Prisons said. Two law enforcement officials said he was found hanging in his cell ...

Epstein had been taken off suicide watch one week after an "apparent" suicide attempt last month.

Many people wanted him dead ...

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#2293877 11-Aug-2019 09:04

Coincidentally the Epstein/Trump video captures some Trump signature groping:

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#2293879 11-Aug-2019 09:06

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#2293883 11-Aug-2019 09:17

"Yes it is appropriate funeral attire!"

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#2293884 11-Aug-2019 09:34

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The Washington Post - Jeffrey Epstein dead after apparent suicide in New York jail

August 10 at 2:42 PM

Jeffrey Epstein, the politically connected financier and registered sex offender charged recently with sexually abusing dozens of young girls in the early 2000s, has died by "apparent suicide" while in jail, and the FBI is investigating, the Bureau of Prisons said Saturday.

Epstein, 66, was found unresponsive in his cell in the special housing unit of the Metropolitan Correctional Center in New York about 6:30 a.m., the Bureau of Prisons said. Two law enforcement officials said he was found hanging in his cell ...

Epstein had been taken off suicide watch one week after an "apparent" suicide attempt last month.

Many people wanted him dead ...

Epstein would have known a lot of dirt about a lot of big players. This 'suicide' stinks as much as he did.

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#2293888 11-Aug-2019 09:48

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He says there are good people on both sides of 8chan!

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#2294272 11-Aug-2019 17:46

Don't call him "President Trump!" He's "The monarch formerly known as Trump!"

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#2294457 11-Aug-2019 22:31

Has to be said; the person who may have been most surprised to hear about the alleged suicide of Epstein would have been Epstein. /s

(edit - /s added)

I'm not usually prone to fall for CT, but I just watched "The Family" on Netflix - frustrating inconclusive but somewhat informative in terms of rationalising what the hell happened over the past few years (decades). Maybe it (the show) was CT, but rationally explains the bizarre pairing of Trump/Pence, the misogyny, the endorsement of Trump by evangelicals, and Trump's praise of strong men. According to the documentary, that's the deal, they're (strong leaders) chosen by God/Jesus, so you accept that, let them rape, pillage and murder because Jesus works through " men as imperfect vessels" help them with their authoritarianism, and try to fire some Jesus at them - because that's the important thing, apparently.

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#2294503 12-Aug-2019 07:17

The most insidious, evil is "Prosperity theology" preached from far too many pulpits in America, usually to the poor and uneducated.

From Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosperity_theology

...controversial religious belief among some Protestant Christians, who hold that financial blessing and physical well-being are always the will of God for them, and that faith, positive speech, and donations to religious causes will increase one's material wealth. ...if humans have faith in God, he will deliver security and prosperity.

... sickness and poverty are viewed as curses to be broken by faith. This is believed to be achieved through donations of money, visualization, and positive confession.

...Prosperity theology has been criticized by leaders from various Christian denominations ...who maintain that it is irresponsible, promotes idolatry, and is contrary to scripture. Secular as well as some Christian observers have also criticized prosperity theology as exploitative of the poor. The practices of some preachers have attracted scandal and some have been charged with financial fraud.

Though not perfect, but way ahead of its time is "The Gospel of Wealth"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gospel_of_Wealth

Andrew Carnegie in 1889 describes the responsibility of philanthropy by the new upper class of self-made rich. Carnegie proposed that the best way of dealing with the new phenomenon of wealth inequality was for the wealthy to utilize their surplus means in a responsible and thoughtful manner.

Carnegie argued that surplus wealth is put to best use (i.e. produces the greatest net benefit to society) when it is administered carefully by the wealthy. Carnegie also argues against wasteful use of capital in the form of extravagance, irresponsible spending, or self-indulgence, instead promoting the administration of said capital over the course of one's lifetime toward the cause of reducing the stratification between the rich and poor. As a result, the wealthy should administer their riches responsibly and not in a way that encourages "the slothful, the drunken, the unworthy".

Fred99: I'm not usually prone to fall for CT, ...

By the way what is "CT": Colour Television, Computed tomography, ...

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#2294504 12-Aug-2019 07:24

Conspiracy Theories.

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#2294527 12-Aug-2019 08:59

The cartoon with its original caption

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And the winner is: @kingdragonfly: angry Trump minder: "Yes it is appropriate funeral attire!"

Honourable mentions go to: @Rikkitic and @Tinkerisk

My own suggestion: "Where the hell is his backing group?"

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#2294819 12-Aug-2019 14:24

The brand label that stokes Trump’s fury: ‘Racist, racist, racist.’

By Philip Rucker and Ashley Parker, Washington Post

President Trump considers himself a branding wizard, but he is vexed by a branding crisis of his own: how to shed the label of “racist.”

As the campaign takes shape about 15 months before voters render a verdict on his presidency, Trump’s Democratic challengers are marking him a racist, and a few have gone so far as to designate him a white supremacist.

Throughout his career as a real estate magnate, a celebrity provocateur and a politician, Trump has recoiled from being called the r-word, even though some of his actions and words have been plainly racist.

Following a month in which he used racist remarks to attack four congresswomen of color, maligned a majority-black Baltimore district as a “rat and rodent infested mess” and saw his anti-immigrant rhetoric parroted in a statement that authorities believe was written by a mass shooter, the risk for Trump is that the pejorative that has long dogged him becomes defining.

Being called a racist has led Trump in recent days to lash out — in tweets and in public comments — behavior his advisers and allies explain as the natural reaction of anyone who does not consider himself a racist but is accused of being one.

“For them to throw out the race word again — racist, racist, racist,” Trump told reporters Friday as he departed the White House for a week-long vacation at his private golf club in Bedminster, N.J. “They call anybody a racist when they run out of cards.”

The president views the characterization largely through the lens of politics, said one close adviser who spoke on the condition of anonymity to share private conversations, explaining that Trump feels the charges of racism are just another attempt to discredit him — not unlike, he believes, the more than a dozen women who have accused him of sexual misconduct or the investigation into Russian election interference.
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Trump recently called himself “the least racist person anywhere in the world,” but his history is littered with racist and racially charged comments and actions.

In 1989, Trump purchased newspaper advertisements demanding the reinstatement of the death penalty after the arrests of the “Central Park Five,” black and Latino teenagers accused of raping a white jogger in New York. They were exonerated in 2002, but Trump has repeatedly refused to acknowledge their innocence. In 2005, he pitched an idea for his reality television series, “The Apprentice,” that would have pitted white people against black people.

Trump then rose to political prominence partially by championing the racist “birtherism” myth that President Barack Obama was born outside the United States. As a presidential candidate, Trump attacked a judge overseeing a Trump University case for his Mexican heritage. And once in the White House, Trump equivocated in the aftermath of a deadly white supremacist rally in 2017 in Charlottesville, saying there were “very fine people on both sides.”

Last month, Trump tweeted that four minority congresswomen should “go back” to the “totally broken and crime infested places from which they came,” even though all four are American and three were born in the United States. He later did not tell his supporters to stop chanting “Send her back!” at a campaign rally where he evoked the name of one of the four, Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.). The Somali-born refugee became a U.S. citizen in 2000.

Trump’s rhetoric came under fresh examination last week after the man accused of killing 22 people in El Paso echoed the president’s language about an “invasion” of Hispanic migrants in what authorities say they believe is the suspect’s missive explaining the reasons for the shooting.

People who know Trump have come to his defense. Kellyanne Conway, counselor to the president, said that in her three years at his side, she has “never, ever, a single time heard this president say or do anything” racist. She described his reaction to being labeled a racist as “less frustration and more consternation that critics, especially those who would like to be president, resort to spewing invectives or hurling insults at the current president, instead of just arguing on the issues.”

Trump’s sensitivity about the “racist” sobriquet dates back decades. The Rev. Al Sharpton, a civil rights activist who has known Trump and tangled with him for many years, said the president has long understood that being called “the r-word” would damage his casino and hotel businesses — and now his political standing.

“At one level, you’re super sensitive about the r-word, and on another level, you buy ads on the Central Park Five,” Sharpton said.

Sharpton recalled that, at the height of the birtherism debate, Trump sought to persuade him to stop calling him out for his false claims about Obama’s birthplace on his MSNBC show by inviting him to a meeting at Trump Tower.

“I’m not a racist,” Sharpton recalled Trump insisting. The two men argued, and Sharpton responded, “I’m not calling you a racist, but what you are doing is racist.” Sharpton continued to attack Trump on air.

Some people who have worked for Trump say the president is less concerned about the moral significance of being called a racist than he is about the bottom-line implications.

“The guy sends out blatantly racist tweets,” former White House communications director Anthony Scaramucci said. “White supremacist. Racist. Those labels are bad for business. . . . It means a reduction in the colors of people who want to vote for you. He’s upset about it because it’s bad for business.”

To the extent that one’s understanding of what is and isn’t racist is forged at a young age, Trump’s upbringing may be instructive. One former adviser, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to avoid angering the president, suggested Trump believes he is more racially tolerant than his father, Fred Trump, who was reported to have been arrested in connection with a 1927 Ku Klux Klan march in New York — an arrest the president has denied as “nonsense” and said “never happened.”

In the 1970s, Fred and Donald Trump were sued by the Justice Department and accused of discriminating against black renters in their residential properties.

Conway argued that the charges of racism are likely to help Trump politically because his voters may think Democratic candidates are unfairly branding them as racists, too, simply for supporting the president.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/the-brand-label-that-stokes-trumps-fury-racist-racist-racist/2019/08/11/fd5573d2-bad9-11e9-b3b4-2bb69e8c4e39_story.html?tid=pm_pop

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#2294826 12-Aug-2019 14:38

Trump's WH looking at taking another step toward autocratic fascism via executive order:

The White House is reportedly moving to regulate “anti-conservative” social media

The Trump administration may be preparing to implement rules to combat what it perceives to be a left-wing bias among tech companies that would affect the content distributed on platforms like Facebook and Twitter.

The White House reportedly has been drafting an executive order, “Protecting Americans from Online Censorship,” that would ask the Federal Communications Commission to develop regulations around how tech platforms take down or suppress content. The draft is said to call on the Federal Trade Commission to apply these new rules in any investigations or lawsuits of these companies.

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"In practice, this executive order would mean that whichever political party is in power could dictate what speech is allowed on the Internet."

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This proposal follows through from Trump (and supporters) whining that Social Media companies have banned people for posting material advocating violence, racism, and other forms of hate speech.

There's also this tweet from a few weeks ago:

So, in opposing fascism you'd be considered to be a member of a "Major Organisation of Terror", presumably if you posted anti-fascist material on social media, the owner of the social media site could be forced to take down the material posted by "Terrorists". The owner of this site could be in big trouble...

Another tweet:

A couple of notes. It's being circulated on Trump-friendly sites that this is "fake news" and not in fact from AF's diaries. Snopes have checked, and given it a tickCorrect Attribution.

Also true she was a stateless person (effectively a refugee), and the people who helped her were criminals under the laws at the time.

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