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#2943139 17-Jul-2022 12:31

With all of Putin's nuclear sabre rattling, New York City emergency response release a PSA about what to do in a nuclear attack:

“Whoever tries to interfere with us,” he warned, “should know that Russia’s response will be immediate and will lead you to such consequences as you have never experienced in your history.” He said that Russia “is today one of the most powerful nuclear states.”

Of course, If Trump was in office, they'd love increasing the publics fear, but since it's Biden being prepared is a big joke.

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#2943240 17-Jul-2022 21:39

kingdragonfly: With all of Putin's nuclear sabre rattling,

As usual, Perun has a really good in-depth analysis of this issue:

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#2945827 24-Jul-2022 10:18

Two Russian news stories translated from Russian to English, by Google. President Vladimir Putin made the Kommersant publicist, Vladimir Yakovlev, his Envoy to the Southern Federal District.

To be clear, these stories are the worst kind of propaganda.

Kommersant: Look into the eyes of monsters

A commission investigated the activities of American biological laboratories on the territory of Ukraine. Blood test of Ukrainian servicemen showed that they were subjected to "secret experiments", as a result of which they were turned into "the most cruel monsters." The expert considers the statements of Russian parliamentarians about biological attacks by the United States hypertrophied.

...The analysis of blood sampling from captured Ukrainian servicemen confirms that "for a number of diseases, including those atypical for the territory of Ukraine, the content of the corresponding substances exceeds the permissible norms by several times."

"Experiments were made on them and experiments were carried out on the territory of Ukraine on extremely dangerous diseases, which under certain circumstances could be distributed for military purposes," the senator explained.

...Traces of drugs and very high titers for hepatitis A were found in the blood of Ukrainian servicemen. the interests of pharmaceutical companies in the acquisition of expensive and very reactive drugs in terms of the consequences specifically for the treatment of hepatitis. And it is quite possible that it was about testing these drugs on military personnel,” the deputy emphasized.

Also, according to the vice-speaker of the State Duma, West Nile fever was found in the blood of the prisoners, which was detected in 20% of the samples examined.

“And we see that the cruelty and atrocities with which the military personnel of Ukraine behave, the crimes that they commit against the civilian population, those monstrous crimes that they commit against prisoners of war, confirm that all this is a single system of management and creation of the most cruel killing machines, was sold under the control of the United States ...

And those doping that they are still given in order to generally neutralize the last traces of human consciousness and turn them into the most cruel and deadly monsters also confirm this, ”said Irina Yarovaya. In addition, in her opinion, “in the test tubes of US military laboratories, you need to look for” bird and swine flu, coronavirus and monkeypox, “because of their particular interest in the origin of viruses and pathogens of animal origin, then disguising them as natural pathogens and the natural occurrence of an epidemic - this is such a stealth maneuver when, preferring to remain unnoticed, they actually create unforeseen situations in different regions of the world.

Ms. Yarovaya recalled that the commission plans to present the final report in the autumn, but already now the parliamentarians see a “reflection” on their investigation in the United States, which “launched a campaign to accuse Russia of allegedly carrying out some kind of biological attacks.” “And the invitation that we previously sent to Deputy Secretary of State (Victoria . - “Kommersant” ) Nuland, which was actually reacted by the State Department also very nervously, confirms that in the complex they groped for the evidence that will nevertheless allow the United States to be brought out of the shadow of disguise and present to the entire international community evidence of a dangerous US military-biological project,” concluded Mrs. Yarovaya.
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Test tubes shaken in the Duma

...Putin's decision to conduct a special operation "made it possible to suspend the Pentagon's dangerous military-biological activities on the territory of Ukraine," the deputy said. According to her, during the investigation, the commission found "invaluable witnesses" who gave her "exclusive testimony." The Commission strengthened its conviction that the activities of military laboratories in Ukraine were "carried out by highly qualified specialists from the Pentagon" who had experience in working with biological weapons, as evidenced by the "coding" of these specialists used. According to Irina Yarovaya, safety requirements were violated in the laboratories themselves.

The vice-speaker also informed the parliamentarians about “facts of bioterrorism” on the territory of the Lugansk People’s Republic: counterfeit banknotes infected with “a very dangerous highly pathogenic strain of Asian tuberculosis” were distributed there.

In Mariupol, studies were carried out on gas gangrene.

Also "dangerous experiments" that were carried out on Ukrainian servicemen, the co-chairman of the commission claims.

“We can say with confidence that the creation of biolaboratories in Ukraine poses a real threat to the Russian Federation and our allies,” Irina Yarovaya concluded categorically, reminding her colleagues of the statements made by NATO representatives regarding Russia as one of their enemies.

The work in the commission also led the deputy to the idea, that the monkeypox virus and childhood hepatitis that appeared simultaneously in different parts of the world can also be the work of the United States. The Commission supports the efforts of the Russian Foreign Ministry aimed at initiating an international investigation into the activities of biolaboratories at the UN site, Irina Yarovaya concluded her speech.

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#2946333 25-Jul-2022 21:15

Summary: bad quality

Why this Russian missile U -Turned

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#2946336 25-Jul-2022 21:23

kingdragonfly: Two Russian news stories translated from Russian to English, by Google. President Vladimir Putin made the Kommersant publicist, Vladimir Yakovlev, his Envoy to the Southern Federal District.

The thing I like about the story, is that the Russians go all out with their stories. They're very imaginative.

Most of the posters in this thread are just like chimpanzees on MDMA, full of feelings of bonhomie, joy, and optimism. Fred99 8/4/21

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#2946337 25-Jul-2022 21:25

kingdragonfly: Summary: bad quality

Naah, it suddenly remembered it had left the bathroom window open and turned back to sort it out, forgetting that it had a proximity fused fitted.

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#2946366 26-Jul-2022 04:03

I'm not exactly afraid of the Russians, but perhaps it would be wiser if our stupid Western tabloid press would just shut up and stop spouting stupidly provocative stories - it's already hard to bear without war. Even if Russia likes to manipulate the facts, we don't have to emphasise this in a lurid manner. You don't have to make it easy for Putin, too, when he uses this for his propaganda purposes and puts it in front of his own people to know that they are quickly on his side. Some youtube posts add to this - everyone embarrasses themselves as best they can.

Real sovereignty is shown when one does not ridicule the opponent for not appearing to be what he is trying to pretend to be. That also takes the wind out of the sails. Joe Biden does this very well in my eyes, only our tabloid press looks like a drunken bunch of bullies who can't think of anything else for their money (who is surprised?). They should leave psychological warfare to the professionals and only print it for them, not "think" for themselves. There is absolutely nothing wrong with fact-based reporting by the serious press.

We don't need to find out if the Russian bear will actually bite. It is quite enough that it will fare very badly if it does.

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#2946448 26-Jul-2022 10:59

A little Bellingcat Spy Story.
Counter intelligence , counter counter intelligence and counter counter counter intelligence.
https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1551535542180929536?s=21&t=LI2p4R0z3RkiARmyDrxKxA

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#2950711 4-Aug-2022 16:27

Interesting that all Republicans, except Rand Paul to voted yes.

CNN: Senate votes to ratify NATO membership for Sweden and Finland

The Senate voted on Wednesday to approve a resolution to ratify membership for Sweden and Finland in NATO, a historic vote aimed at strengthening the defense bloc amid Russia's war in Ukraine.

NATO formalized its invitation to Sweden and Finland to join the alliance at the end of June and the decision must go to the 30 member states' parliaments and legislatures for final ratification.
President Joe Biden sent the protocols for ratification to the Senate in July, paving the way for the vote, which needed to be approved by two-thirds of the Senate to succeed. The final tally of the Senate vote was 95 to 1, with GOP Sen. Josh Hawley of Missouri voting in opposition and GOP Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky voting present.

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#2950727 4-Aug-2022 17:17

with GOP Sen. Josh Hawley of Missouri voting in opposition

Hawling ass again just like he did on Jan. 6th.

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#2950745 4-Aug-2022 18:20

The Hill: Senator Josh Hawley (Republican - Missouri) is only senator to vote against Finland, Sweden NATO membership

...Hawley’s vote against the resolution did not come as a surprise.

...He said he does not believe the U.S. should expand its security commitments in Europe, because America’s “greatest foreign adversary” is China.
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#2950768 4-Aug-2022 19:45

The world order that has been in place for decades has been shaken, old certainties have been broken, new global power relations are emerging. Three major players (I deliberately avoid the word friend, enemy or adversary) are coming up against a European Union in crisis:

Russia, with a Putin who oscillates between cooperation and a willingness to engage in conflict;

China, whose economic rise has given it new self-confidence; and

the unpleasant experience the USA has had with the disruptive "America first" policy of a (fortunately former) Donald Trump.

Where is Europe heading now? Can Europe's own values be communicated? What role does it play in the newly forming world order? It seems that we will inevitably have to address this issue without losing sight of our friends (no one needs enemies).

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#2950813 4-Aug-2022 23:01

ezbee:
Ukraine turns Donetsk into a minefield using banned ‘butterfly’ mines
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6wJbPJv0kk&t

"Random unknown Youtuber claims Ukrainians are killing babies and defenceless kittens and puppies".

Sheesh.

Edited to add: Although the linked channel is some random Youtuber, the footage they're using was put out by the Donetsk People's Republic (DPR).

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#2950817 4-Aug-2022 23:22

Yeh I withdrew the post when I saw this was contested propaganda given Russian mo.

https://www.zenger.news/2022/08/03/ukraine-accuses-russia-of-scattering-mines-in-donetsk-in-propaganda-move/

https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/06/15/background-briefing-landmine-use-ukraine

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2022/03/10/russia-reportedly-blocks-ukrainian-evacuation-route-with-air-dropped-butterfly-mines/?sh=17ae8c551a32

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#2950838 5-Aug-2022 08:47

Amnesty international is coming across as an organisation void of conscience and integrity. They would rather see Ukraine troops head to open fields for slaughter, and Bucha X1000 occur. I suspect they are going to see a lot of donations disappear with people turned off by their stance.

Ukrainian forces have put civilians in harm’s way by establishing bases and operating weapons systems in populated residential areas.

https://twitter.com/amnesty/status/1555102962623594496?s=20&t=I2q0bkOkPcIGP4XQm-208g

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