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#217863 16-Jul-2017 09:25

I think many quite like him. I do, in some ways. Perhaps I perceive him as open, no BS, etc. Rather than the typical political speaking that we hear all the time. Calls a spade a spade.

How would it go if he was the Kingmaker?

Could he be the Kingmaker for National? While the Nats arent his cup of tea, he could use that to get his own things done. And he did like Muldoon, maybe thats a hint

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#1823116 16-Jul-2017 09:33

Yes he could be.. He does call a spade a spade, but the problem is he's only in it for the fame.

If the Greens were smart they'd go with National - the problem is they're not smart enough to do that. They'd be able to actually be part of the Government, and push many of the things they want through as concessions for their support. They'd achieve far more than they ever would being in bed with Labour.

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#1823119 16-Jul-2017 09:37

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Yes he could be.. He does call a spade a spade, but the problem is he's only in it for the fame.

If the Greens were smart they'd go with National - the problem is they're not smart enough to do that. They'd be able to actually be part of the Government, and push many of the things they want through as concessions for their support. They'd achieve far more than they ever would being in bed with Labour.

I agree with the above. Winston seems a bit unpredictable and egocentric, but not out of the question.

The Greens' problem is their inner colour of pink. They're a socialist party dressed up as environmentalists, so going in with National to progress environmental matters would be self-defeating.

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#1823121 16-Jul-2017 09:41

Very true. Take the lead of the Maori Party, always Labour aligned, but they defected to get their own things done. I would not be surprised if they tried to defect back to Labour if the Labour/Greens/NZ First got power.

If I was a betting man, I have no clue what this election result could be. While Nats have the advantage of being in power, Labours leader is useless, and Nats voters turn out in higher numbers than Labour's, it could be the time for a change scenario, which happens after long periods in power. Ahern could feature prominently in the election, young adults who tend to be a lower turnout, may turnout in big numbers. That in itself could change things big time, especially for the Greens perhaps. If Labour put Ahern in charge NOW, that would be a big help, but that wont happen. I can see a US type of campaign, down and dirty, time for the the dirty laundry tactic.

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#1823122 16-Jul-2017 09:47

shk292:

sbiddle:

Yes he could be.. He does call a spade a spade, but the problem is he's only in it for the fame.

If the Greens were smart they'd go with National - the problem is they're not smart enough to do that. They'd be able to actually be part of the Government, and push many of the things they want through as concessions for their support. They'd achieve far more than they ever would being in bed with Labour.

I agree with the above. Winston seems a bit unpredictable and egocentric, but not out of the question.

The Greens' problem is their inner colour of pink. They're a socialist party dressed up as environmentalists, so going in with National to progress environmental matters would be self-defeating.

I can see many seeing Winston as a non BS option. More so, not because of him but because of the general feeling many have in politicians. Rightly or wrongly, he could stand out. He was just on the current affairs proggie just now. He was his usual brutal self, but in a reasonable, smiling way. While he is no Trump, the psychology of putting himself out there may not be dissimilar. If he rationed his brashness towards real facts and real things he will do instead of attacking everyone, I can see him featuring.

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#1823124 16-Jul-2017 09:51

I have not seen much that makes me think we'll need him. I see another National majority. Little is disappearing up his own fundament and none of the others amount to much more than noise.

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#1823128 16-Jul-2017 10:00

The trouble with Winston is he will want to be King, even though he will be the minor partner he will want to call all the shots. He's not a team player. He wasn't a stable coalition partner the last time he was in coalition as a result no one wants to work with him if at all possible.

He is very good at identifying issues that strike a chord with voters. In that regard he's much like Donald Trump.

I don't trust him. So often he strings an issue along, drip feeding little tid bits, and while promising to do so never delivers the final crucial bit of evidence.

He was deeply involved in the scampi fisheries enquiry a few years ago, that seemed to go all quiet, and Winston had the use of a helicopter for travel during the next election campaign. The helicopter was owned by people with fisheries interests. A coincidence may be. Coincidence or not Winston tried to deny the use of the helicopter.

I think it will be not good if Winston is the one needed to form a government.

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#1823129 16-Jul-2017 10:02

Geektastic:

I have not seen much that makes me think we'll need him. I see another National majority. Little is disappearing up his own fundament and none of the others amount to much more than noise.

Im looking at the psyche of voters. back in the day the vast majority aligned with what they were brought up with. These days, many are very open to switching, its more liquid. Back in the day it was all about strikes, pay rises, budget deficit, election bribes. Now, there are many non Government issues, such as climate change, housing costs, green technology. I gather there is a push to get young voters voting, we have far more immigrants than we used to, and perhaps they can switch alignments far more easier. If and when Labour loses, Little will be gone. If they win, Little will be gone. They should chuck him out now, get Ahern in, and go for it. That would really mix things up, despite being a negative issue in itself. Anything can happen, and it probably will.

End of the day I see the terms have changed in the way that the populous is made up, and how they can react

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#1823131 16-Jul-2017 10:06

He's like Donald Trump. But with no children involved. ANd still learning to tweet.

ie he says what wins him votes without meaning what he said

aka a top politician

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#1823135 16-Jul-2017 10:19

tdgeek: If they win, Little will be gone. They should chuck him out now, get Ahern in, and go for it. That would really mix things up, despite being a negative issue in itself. Anything can happen, and it probably will.

I don't know how Little has the nerve to want to be PM, when he rates at 5% on the preferred PM polls. That's 19 out of 20 people would rather have someone else. Even 4 out of 5 Labour voters don't want him. I think he'l be left there to take the blame for Labour's performance, then rolled. Problem is, with the way Labour is set up, the unions get to choose the next "leader"

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#1823161 16-Jul-2017 11:12

shk292:

tdgeek: If they win, Little will be gone. They should chuck him out now, get Ahern in, and go for it. That would really mix things up, despite being a negative issue in itself. Anything can happen, and it probably will.

I don't know how Little has the nerve to want to be PM, when he rates at 5% on the preferred PM polls. That's 19 out of 20 people would rather have someone else. Even 4 out of 5 Labour voters don't want him. I think he'l be left there to take the blame for Labour's performance, then rolled. Problem is, with the way Labour is set up, the unions get to choose the next "leader"

So far as the preferred PM polls go that's a real lottery. Those ratings change significantly depending on what news coverage each person is getting at the time. While I don't rate Andrew Little as PM I don't place too much stock on the preferred PM poll.

I don't rate Ardern either. She's never worked outside politics and for that reason alone is not a good choice as leader nor even to be an MP. She doesn't have the background in my opinion to have developed a rounded knowledge of the the real world. She's only there as Deputy Leader because shes young and female, in other words fulfilling Labour's stupid diversity requirements. For them it's not about who's best for the job but meeting their own wacky ideas about equal gender/race/age etc numbers. Don't get me wrong there's a strong need for diversity but having it as an over riding factor when choosing people for a position is dumb.

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#1823198 16-Jul-2017 12:03

Whilst Winston is a very experienced politician from the Muldoon era, there is nothing behind him of substance within the party, and he is over 70 now and will be well over 70 by the end of the next term.

Looking at his party conferences it seems to be made up of people who generally want something for nothing. Someone does need to look after the over 65's (I will be one soon enough), but the everything needs to be done in balance.

Winston is a one man band. His new Whangarei guy has already left parliament once for using taxpayers money to watch porn in hotels.

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#1823199 16-Jul-2017 12:03

The way I look at it, Bill english is no leader, Andrew Little is a union puppet with no character or personality.

Winston Peters would be a good leader. Sure , he has flaws but who doesn't.

For people to suggest he is in the pocket of big corporates ignore his history of fighting big corporates.

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#1823230 16-Jul-2017 12:29

surfisup1000:
For people to suggest he is in the pocket of big corporates ignore his history of fighting big corporates.

If it's one thing Peters is known for it's having his cake and eating it ; ).

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#1823232 16-Jul-2017 12:45

sbiddle:

Yes he could be.. He does call a spade a spade, but the problem is he's only in it for the fame.

If the Greens were smart they'd go with National - the problem is they're not smart enough to do that. They'd be able to actually be part of the Government, and push many of the things they want through as concessions for their support. They'd achieve far more than they ever would being in bed with Labour.

I have been saying this for years. I don't understand their agenda at this stage. Ultimately if you want to represent the people you need to have a say, they will have more say with the green party, even if they don't get exactly everything they want.

They were making good ground last election and then a bunch of them showed the old bad Greens and defaced a bunch of billboards etc, as a "protest".

They don't really seem to be fully in the real world.

I'd rather have Winston the twit in power than any form of Labour Government, I'd almost prefer to watch Trump than Angry Andrew, the thought of 3 years of him being in power makes me feel very ill.

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#1823236 16-Jul-2017 12:59

IMHO Labour have only had one recent leader who has suitable to be PM - that was David Shearer. Even as a right wing voter I'd have been incredibly happy with him as PM.

Unfortunately the party didn't want him.. And that says a lot about the party and it's supports really.

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