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#237617 10-Jun-2018 12:17
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https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/video/michael-moore-calls-president-obama-731528

 

(only three minutes 15 seconds!)

 

Regular readers of Geekzone will know that I often refer to Barack Obama as 'Toastmaster in Chief'. Basically because I think that his speech making skills far exceeded the many other skills required of a President.

 

Way back in 2007 I really believed the 'Yes we can' message he kept saying over and over & I had a few lively discussions with fellow workers why Obama would be a better candidate & president than Hillary Clinton. Moore expresses very eloquently his deep disappointment in what Obama actually got done.

 

Obama had Republicans blocking him at every turn, however his personal failings such as arrogance & a condescending attitude to others in Washington made him even more ineffective as a President.

 

Moore says Obama will only be remembered for one thing.

 

So, is Michael Moore being too harsh?

 

P.S. Michael Moore is certainly no fool - he correctly predicted Donald Trump would win in 2016. The Youtube named below has Moore explaining to a bemused crowd of people why Trump is going to win. He did another video a few days after the Democrat convention saying the same thing.

 

Michael Moore Explains Why TRUMP Will Win

 

 


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  #2032985 10-Jun-2018 12:26
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Date on that is 2014. Same as these comments maybe:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/michael-moore-slams-obama-history-731563

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  #2032988 10-Jun-2018 12:44
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Can't have a president who is intelligent, urbane, thoughtful, well-read, sophisticated. That would be un-American.

 

 





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  #2032994 10-Jun-2018 12:56
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Rikkitic:

 

Can't have a president who is intelligent, urbane, thoughtful, well-read, sophisticated. That would be un-American.

 

 

 

 

Those qualities also make a person well qualified to be a college professor and  excellent at making speeches...


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  #2033013 10-Jun-2018 13:18
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Nothing wrong with college professors. It would be a welcome change from what they have now.

 

 





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  #2033051 10-Jun-2018 15:11
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He is a Hollywood reporter. I stopped at that. Opinion means zero.

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  #2033104 10-Jun-2018 15:28
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Rikkitic:

 

Can't have a president who is intelligent, urbane, thoughtful, well-read, sophisticated. That would be un-American.

 

 

Exactly. And one has to laugh at the characterisation of Obama as condescending and arrogant. What is possibly more arrogant than the puerile and routine insults hurled from the misplaced/misshaped backend that is Donald Trump's mouth? And what's more condescending and arrogant than a bunch of uneducated, violent and misogynistic ogres that support a moron like Donald Trump and his cronies' reality-denial views on matters such as global warming, gun control, and racial prejudice in US law enforcement?  

 

It's quite easy to argue that Obama failed to push for the logical conclusions of his convictions (e.g. the closure of Guantanamo and stronger justice system reforms). But those failings absolutely pale in comparison to the existential threat that Donald Trump is to humanity, decency, and the fundamental character of some of the very institutions that he is currently fouling.

 

 

 

 


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  #2033107 10-Jun-2018 15:34
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MikeB4: He is a Hollywood reporter. I stopped at that. Opinion means zero.

 

Michael Moore loathes Trump yet he was savvy enough to work out what was happening. In July 2016 he wrote this piece on his website:

 

https://michaelmoore.com/trumpwillwin/

 

So when he gives Obama a serve I think he someone worth listening to.

 

In starting this thread I thought that if Trump deserves 533 pages of comments, Obama must be worth five or ten?


 
 
 
 


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  #2033125 10-Jun-2018 15:56
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Obama never impressed me. Then again, no POTUS since Reagan has.





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  #2033161 10-Jun-2018 17:45
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amiga500:

 

So when he gives Obama a serve I think he someone worth listening to.

 

In starting this thread I thought that if Trump deserves 533 pages of comments, Obama must be worth five or ten?

 

 

He also said this.

 

Moore had a 50% chance of being right regardless of what he predicted. I like him but the fact that he was lucky in a coin toss doesn't say much to me.

 

 

 

 





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  #2033446 10-Jun-2018 23:54
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Rikkitic:

 

amiga500:

 

So when he gives Obama a serve I think he someone worth listening to.

 

In starting this thread I thought that if Trump deserves 533 pages of comments, Obama must be worth five or ten?

 

 

He also said this.

 

I think he was speculating/hoping that enough voters from some states might cast their electoral vote for HRC. A forlorn hope really!

 

Moore had a 50% chance of being right regardless of what he predicted. I like him but the fact that he was lucky in a coin toss doesn't say much to me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think he was speculating/hoping that enough electoral college voters from some states might cast their electoral vote for HRC. A forlorn hope really!


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Moore is Anti Establishment.  He's still living in hope of "Sanders 2020". He despises Trump.
They should have asked who his favourite president in living memory is.  I expect that would be Carter.

 

Americans like "establishment" - they don't like "the swamp" - but they clearly can't tell the difference.

 

Meanwhile Moore is suffering from a delusion that his version of Anti Establishment Socialism will attract the American Working Class.  It won't.  It attracts urban liberals who would be voting for the least Right Wing party/candidate anyway.  He wants revolution - not evolution.

 

He despised Obama's ACA.  Reason was that the insurance was still in the hands of private providers. Look what happened now - Moore probably thinks that was Obama's fault. 

 

 


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  #2033557 11-Jun-2018 11:22
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MikeB4: He is a Hollywood reporter. I stopped at that. Opinion means zero.

 

For you, and for all the rest who are unable to see beyond the messenger and hear the message, here is an alternate commentary from a reporter at the Boston Globe.

 

Key Highlights (for brevity):

 

  • In almost every respect, Obama leaves behind a trail of failure and disappointment
  • the economy’s rebound under Obama was the worst in seven decades. Annual GDP growth since the recession ended has averaged a feeble 2.1 percent, by far the puniest economic performance of any president since World War II
  • Obama spent more public funds on “stimulus” than all previous stimulus programs combined, with wretched, counterproductive results
  • millions of additional Americans fell below the poverty line. The number of food stamp recipients soared
  • The national debt doubled to an incredible $20 trillion
  • In 2008, when Obama was first elected president, 63 percent of Americans considered themselves middle class. Seven years later, only 51 percent still felt the same way
  • Obamacare has been a fiasco. At least 27 million Americans are still without health insurance
  • Obamacare sent premiums and deductibles skyrocketing
  • In his rush to pull US troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan, he created a power vacuum into which terror networks expanded and the Taliban revived.
  • Obama and his lieutenants insisted that Syrian dictator Bashar Assad could be induced to “reform,” and pointedly refused to intervene as an uprising against him metastasized into genocidal slaughter
  • Determined to conciliate America’s adversaries, the president indulged dictatorial regimes in Iran, Russia, and Cuba. They in turn exploited his passivity with multiple treacheries — seizing Crimea and destroying Aleppo (Russia), abducting American hostages for ransom and illicitly testing long-range missiles (Iran), and cracking down mercilessly on democratic dissidents (Cuba).
  • The consequences have been stark: a Middle East awash in blood and bombs, US troops re-embroiled in Iraq and Afghanistan, aggressive dictators ascendant, human rights and democracy in retreat, rivers of refugees destabilizing nations across three continents,

If you take only one point away from this post, let it be this:

 

Nobel Peace Prize winner Obama authorized the release of more bombs throughout his presidency than any other US President.

 

(...though Trump is rapidly catching up ;-)


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  #2033564 11-Jun-2018 11:36
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I think Obamas biggest failure was the bill of $7trillion dollars that he left behind him.


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  #2033593 11-Jun-2018 11:53
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6FIEND:

 

MikeB4: He is a Hollywood reporter. I stopped at that. Opinion means zero.

 

For you, and for all the rest who are unable to see beyond the messenger and hear the message, here is an alternate commentary from a reporter at the Boston Globe.

 

Key Highlights (for brevity):

 

  • In almost every respect, Obama leaves behind a trail of failure and disappointment
  • the economy’s rebound under Obama was the worst in seven decades. Annual GDP growth since the recession ended has averaged a feeble 2.1 percent, by far the puniest economic performance of any president since World War II
  • Obama spent more public funds on “stimulus” than all previous stimulus programs combined, with wretched, counterproductive results
  • millions of additional Americans fell below the poverty line. The number of food stamp recipients soared
  • The national debt doubled to an incredible $20 trillion
  • In 2008, when Obama was first elected president, 63 percent of Americans considered themselves middle class. Seven years later, only 51 percent still felt the same way
  • Obamacare has been a fiasco. At least 27 million Americans are still without health insurance
  • Obamacare sent premiums and deductibles skyrocketing
  • In his rush to pull US troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan, he created a power vacuum into which terror networks expanded and the Taliban revived.
  • Obama and his lieutenants insisted that Syrian dictator Bashar Assad could be induced to “reform,” and pointedly refused to intervene as an uprising against him metastasized into genocidal slaughter
  • Determined to conciliate America’s adversaries, the president indulged dictatorial regimes in Iran, Russia, and Cuba. They in turn exploited his passivity with multiple treacheries — seizing Crimea and destroying Aleppo (Russia), abducting American hostages for ransom and illicitly testing long-range missiles (Iran), and cracking down mercilessly on democratic dissidents (Cuba).
  • The consequences have been stark: a Middle East awash in blood and bombs, US troops re-embroiled in Iraq and Afghanistan, aggressive dictators ascendant, human rights and democracy in retreat, rivers of refugees destabilizing nations across three continents,

If you take only one point away from this post, let it be this:

 

Nobel Peace Prize winner Obama authorized the release of more bombs throughout his presidency than any other US President.

 

(...though Trump is rapidly catching up ;-)

 

 

One day it may just happen, I am not holding my breath but maybe just maybe you will start a post without a snarky or a thinly veiled jibe. 


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  #2033594 11-Jun-2018 11:59
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6FIEND:

 

a reporter at the Boston Globe.

 

 

 

 

He's a columnist writing opinion pieces - not a "reporter".

 

After a quick read, I liked this reader comment:

 

 

President Obama single-handedly fought a treasonous Congress to create 16 million private-sector jobs, reduced unemployment from 10% to 4.7%, killed Bin Laden, brought 150,000 troops home, kept Iran from getting nuclear weapons, opened relations with Cuba, and provided insurance for 20 million Americans who couldn't get it. And there's plenty more. As for elections, Clinton won by 3 million votes in an election in which Democrats got 55% of the Senate votes and a majority of House votes: the Republicans are in office because of the electoral college and gerrymandered districts, not by earning the majority of votes. Most voters voted Democratic, as they always do.

 

 

 


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