Virtue signalling - surest way for left-wing to lose

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#238186 6-Jul-2018 08:52

Let me begin by saying I'm an old lefty. But even I get annoyed by self-righteous social justice warriors.

It's also self-defeating, as any moderate within ear-shot will think you're an ass, and vote against the left in the privacy of the voting booth.

I believe "virtue signalling" helped get Trump elected, by alienating some voters against the Democrats.

So what is "virtue signalling?"

Here's some background on the following video.

The country of "Kekistani" does not exist. There's no "Kek" flag. There's no refugees. It's simply a way of a conman making a social justice warrior look dumb.

It all takes place at a "Don't shoot" police protest, with many anti-police antifa protestors covering their faces.

A conman, who appears to be of Mexican descent, wears the fictitious "Kek" flag as a cape.

The female dupe obviously has no idea why the man is wearing an unknown flag but assumes it's bad. She's been duped into virtue signalling.

Conman: "Your people are the ones covering their faces. They can't even stand up for what they believe."

Dupe: "I'm right here ... so you can't stand for what you believe."

Conman: "What's wrong with the Kek flag? Explain it to me?"

Dupe: "You don't even stand for what you believe."

Conman: "Yeah, I can. I'm right here. What's wrong with the Kek flag?"

Dupe, obviously stumped, because doesn't know anything about the fictitious flag: "You tell me man."

Conman, saying truthfully: "There's nothing, absolutely nothing, wrong with the Kekistani flag."

Dupe: "Oh yeah. Tell the people who died under it."

Conman, keeping a straight face: "Under the Kek flag?"

Dupe, seeing cameras, enjoying the attention, and believing she caught the conman out: "Yeah, all the carnage."

Conman: "The Kekistani killed people?"

Dupe putting finger in conman's face: "You know what dude? You're a f__king moron."

Conman: "Oh, I am. OK. I think you lost the argument when you start insulting someone."

Dupe: "I think you lost your argument when you wore that flag, like a cape. You're a super Kek."

Conman: "Yeah I'm a Kekistani refugee. I love freedom."

Seeing her fellow SJW stumped, a masked dupe steps in: "hanging out with white supremists is the only way you can have your freedom?"

Conman, again truthfully: "are there any white supremists?"

Back to the original dupe, ignoring the fact the conman appears to be of Mexican descent: "you're the white supremist."

Another dupe: "you don't deserve freedom."

Masked dupe: "go give your leash back to the oppressors."

Dupe: "because you're in the flag of the oppresor. Because you don't feel oppressed enough"

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#2050269 6-Jul-2018 09:10

Reminds me of when Penn & Teller got heaps of eco crusties to sign a petition calling for a ban on dihydrogen monoxide....!

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#2050276 6-Jul-2018 09:14

Right wing left wing is all bollocks, we are all New Zealanders here. This whole right wing left wing BS is just another subtle divide and conquer tactic and name calling, labeling, trivialising and ridiculing are devices in the tool box used by those who seek to divide.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2050287 6-Jul-2018 09:24

There's asses on both sides.

Trump uses "virtue signalling" every time he tweats his "thoughts and prayers" about yet another lone shooter's mass killing.

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#2050324 6-Jul-2018 10:04

Geektastic: Reminds me of when Penn & Teller got heaps of eco crusties to sign a petition calling for a ban on dihydrogen monoxide....!

http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html

Dangerous stuff, that.

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#2050327 6-Jul-2018 10:10

IMO the whole trend to apply labels such as "SJW" and behaviour as "virtue signalling" is also a con.

Deal with issues as they are - the media need to be ruthless and accurate - not repeating thus endorsing validity of stupid labels.

A couple of issues related to the US at the moment:

Some moronic folks (rightly) concerned about the appalling actions of border security services under direction of the Trump administration, and are calling for the abolition of ICE, protesting, waving banners. That wouldn't solve any problems, ICE don't carry out the separations, nobody sane would want fully open borders. Under Obama, at times there were more border arrests and detentions than there are now. The issue isn't that people are being intercepted at the border, it's the way they're being treated when they are arrested, and it's a constitutional crisis as people are being treated automatically as criminals when the constitution is very clear that people crossing the border seeking refugee status do have rights, and have not committed a crime merely by seeking refugee status. Nevermind -"abolish ICE" is a great meme.

On another couple of issues, other morons are (rightly) claiming that freedom of speech is valuable, and they're on a mission against some things happening in Europe.

"Free Tommy Robinson" is being argued on the basis that putting this scumbag in prison is breaching his right to speak freely. Balderdash - he stood on the steps of a courthouse and defied a suppression order after being warned not to do what he did - and what the consequences would be for him (he'd be chucked in prison) and what the consequences could be for the court case (the people he sought to expose who were on trial for allegedly committing despicable crimes - could end up going free as his illegal disclosures could be used by the defense as grounds for dismissal as they would prejudice the accused receiving fair trial). He pleaded guilty to the charges and his lawyer expressed Tommy's "deep regret". Nevermind "Free Tommy" is a great meme. The case is closed - Tommy was wrong - but the meme remains.

And memes themselves, some of the alt:right are in an apparent frenzy (no doubt being stirred up by their masters in the Kremlin) because they believe that changes to European copyright law will be used to suppress sharing of memes. They aren't - in fact in response to concerns that those laws in theory could be used to suppress sharing of memes, the EU parliament is amending legislation to ensure that effect can't happen. Nevermind "The EU is trying to ban memes" is a great meme.

The world is going mad. The Dunning Kruger Effect is winning.

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#2050353 6-Jul-2018 10:53

I haven't studied this and have no special expertise. Of course that does not get in the way of my having an opinion. I believe that most of this, including Alt-Right and the election of Trump and the rise of populist political figures in Europe, is a direct result of social media. In the good ol' days village idiots could only spew their nonsense to a handful of people who paused to enjoy the spectacle. With social media, anyone can command a world audience, and some do. This has an enormous amplifying effect. For ideologues it is a godsend. It may inevitably lead to authoritarian, even totalitarian, systems of government. I don't know. What I do (think I) know is that social media have changed the world in fundamental ways, and the world hasn't figured out how to deal with that yet. It may be our undoing.

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#2050398 6-Jul-2018 11:55

Not really sure how this video relates to virtue signalling.

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#2050425 6-Jul-2018 12:27

The activist Mimi German is from Portland.

She's often more interested in showing that she's morally superior, virtue signalling, than in actually engaging in solutions.

It's becoming a common trend in the US for comedians not to give performances on college campuses.

This was brought up by Jerry Seinfeld some years ago, which is about as inoffensive a comedian as possible.

http://college.usatoday.com/2015/06/08/jerry-seinfeld-espn-college-campuses-politically-correct/

There are literally a number of talent agencies that prescreen comedians to make sure that it's perfectly safe for even the most hypersensitive college students.

Again claiming the moral high ground just pushes some to the right.

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#2050551 6-Jul-2018 15:09

MikeB4:

Right wing left wing is all bollocks, we are all New Zealanders here.

No, no we're not.. and that's half the problem, rampant immigration from incompatible and foreign cultures. NZ needs to follow the lead of other countries and not allow residency or citizenship without passing both language and cultural tests.

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#2050626 6-Jul-2018 15:23

There may well be some Chinese or Indian immigrants who have robbed dairies, but I am not aware of any. That seems mainly to be the province of citizens who do make up part of our culture and who speak one of our official languages (well, sort of).

It is the hard-working immigrants who operate the dairies that keep getting robbed by citizens who sometimes have trouble with the language and culture, but these are not the ones who commit violence against others. Immigration is not the problem here. Rotten values are.

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#2050670 6-Jul-2018 16:56

Lias:

MikeB4:

Right wing left wing is all bollocks, we are all New Zealanders here.

No, no we're not.. and that's half the problem, rampant immigration from incompatible and foreign cultures. NZ needs to follow the lead of other countries and not allow residency or citizenship without passing both language and cultural tests.

That's what some of my ancestors were saying a couple of hundred years ago. They had a point (many of the immigrants were not interested in assimilating with NZ culture - they wanted to dominate). You don't have a point.

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#2050744 6-Jul-2018 18:21

Rikkitic:

There may well be some Chinese or Indian immigrants who have robbed dairies, but I am not aware of any. That seems mainly to be the province of citizens who do make up part of our culture and who speak one of our official languages (well, sort of).

It is the hard-working immigrants who operate the dairies that keep getting robbed by citizens who sometimes have trouble with the language and culture, but these are not the ones who commit violence against others. Immigration is not the problem here. Rotten values are.

I've got Indian and Chinese friends (also South African, Filipino, American, British, Scottish, Irish, Australian, Fijian, Israeli, Afghan, Bosnian, Samoan, Dutch, and god only knows who I'm forgetting). And yes there are plenty of born and bred kiwis who are terrible people (even more with Aussie currently shipping us 50+ years of scum back instead of just dropping them halfway like they should). Country of origin has nothing to do with being a good immigrant, but speaking decent English and understanding the culture and values of the country you want to live in certainly do.

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#2050753 6-Jul-2018 18:28

Fred99:

That's what some of my ancestors were saying a couple of hundred years ago. They had a point (many of the immigrants were not interested in assimilating with NZ culture - they wanted to dominate). You don't have a point.

I see where you're going, but there was no single culture pre colonisation, there were numerous competing local ones. If you'd studied te reo you'd know there are many different dialects of "maori", let alone cultural differences between various iwi and hapu.

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#2050774 6-Jul-2018 18:49

Lias:

I've got Indian and Chinese friends (also South African, Filipino, American, British, Scottish, Irish, Australian, Fijian, Israeli, Afghan, Bosnian, Samoan, Dutch, and god only knows who I'm forgetting) ...

http://verilymerrilymary.com/2015/08/i-am-not-racist-i-have-black-friends.html

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#2050798 6-Jul-2018 19:32

Lias:

I've got Indian and Chinese friends (also South African, Filipino, American, British, Scottish, Irish, Australian, Fijian, Israeli, Afghan, Bosnian, Samoan, Dutch, and god only knows who I'm forgetting).

Here comes the ages-old "I am not a bigot when I say bigoted and obnoxious things!" defence. What cultural tests do you want? A test to see if people espouse worldviews you deem acceptable?

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