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Fred99

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#248251 16-Mar-2019 11:07

Starting this thread because I'm sick of the subject becoming a distraction to the atrocity in Chch being discussed in the other thread:

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dejadeadnz: I am not the one who has been ranting on about how great our gun laws are and how perfect it is. I am not obliged to defend his argument. So how about your grow up and mind your own business?

Ranting? Oh FFS.

While I have a firearms licence, and enjoy their use, I can happily take them or leave them. Don't think that makes me a NRA shrill as you suggest, but that's your opinion. However they are legal to own in NZ, and I will absolutely defend to the bitter end someone's legal right to do something that the law allows. When you have confiscated all the guns and changed the law to make them illegal, fine, I'm sure you'll feel good about yourself. I hope you then start looking at banning trucks too, incase someone decides to follow the example from France...

Blaming pencils for spelling mistakes is about the best you are doing - we need to look deeper than removing the tools that these people are using to commit crimes and fixing the problems that are causing young white males to become radicalised in the first place.

Firearms laws are going to change, our PM has made this clear.

Details aren't clear, but access to semi-automatic weapons are likely to be restricted - or there'll be an outright ban, and hopefully we'll be able to take existing guns made illegal by law change out of circulation by an amnesty (as they did in Aus) and return to the system where not only does a license holder need to be (possibly more thoroughly) vetted than at present, but all firearms need to be individually registered.

There's no disputing the evidence, that the terrorist in Chch had a NZ firearms license gained legally, had a large collection of weapons - all of which may have been obtained perfectly legally and may have been modified to increase magazine capacity, which is hardly a difficult thing to do.

Personally, and as an ex hunter and firearms owner, I'd be more than happy to see all high-power semi-automatic weapons banned, collected, and destroyed. I know some people get "enjoyment" out of ownership of such things, but around 50 people are dead at the hands of one man, carried out in the most horrific manner, live streamed to the internet. It's time to get real - that must never happen again.

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#2199411 16-Mar-2019 11:16

FWIW, 30 shot AR15 magazines cost only about 10 bucks in the USA. There's even plastic/polymer ones that you'd possibly be able to get sent in the mail - with a high chance of them not being detected if they were shipped with other stuff.

Fred99

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#2199414 16-Mar-2019 11:18

And I don't care one iota for the false equivalence argument that he could have used a truck as weapon.

Because he didn't. Get it?

dejadeadnz

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#2199450 16-Mar-2019 12:12

The very fundamental question is this: are we going to be like the US where every time after an atrocity of this sort happens, people just wring their hands, say the usual platitudes, and then carry on and do nothing useful? I am quite confident that the Green Party will support any sensible gun law, suspect most of the Labour Party will also (but there's also quite a retarded right wing core in there), and have no hope whatsoever that the National Party and NZF will not return to their usual form and bow to the gun lobby.

So yeah I am not that optimistic that we will get all the changes that are needed.

dejadeadnz

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#2199463 16-Mar-2019 12:38

Waikato University law professor Al Gillespie told a parliamentary select committee in 2016 that much stricter firearms controls were needed in New Zealand to prevent the potential for mass shootings to happen.

Gillespie had advised the law and order select committee inquiry into the illegal possession of firearms following a number of high-profile incidents that that the risk of a mass shooting in New Zealand was growing due to the threat from right-wing and religious terrorists, along with "lone wolf" attacks as seen in Europe and the United States.

"It is, to me, completely foreseeable that there will be another Aramoana in this country," he said at the time.

Source. But our gun laws are great!

GV27

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#2199500 16-Mar-2019 13:23

Here's a list of things that would warrant NZers having access to semi-automatic assault weapons:

1) Someone Jurassic Parks the Haast Eagle back into existance.

(end of list).

Plenty of people will be very surprised how easy it is to get hold of 'American style' weaponry here. It shouldn't even be possible.

Tracer

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#2199508 16-Mar-2019 13:37

Hard to imagine semi-auto .22LR and shotguns being restricted. Every man and his dog has them. They're the primary pest control tools in this country. I guess 1080 will be a lot more prevalent in the coming years.

Bluntj

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#2199515 16-Mar-2019 14:01

I was disappointed to see the PM focus on our gun laws when(to me ) they seem fine. The real issue is why this bad dude wasnt on a watch list.

Bad dudes will always find weapons to do carnage no matter what the laws are.

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timmay556

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#2199516 16-Mar-2019 14:02

Such a disappointment that good honest kiwis will be the ones punished the most for this nutjob. So many honest law abiding citizens use firearms each day for enjoyment and now our rights will be eroded once again.

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#2199523 16-Mar-2019 14:07

timmay556:

Such a disappointment that good honest kiwis will be the ones punished the most for this nutjob. So many honest law abiding citizens use firearms each day for enjoyment and now our rights will be eroded once again.

You don't know about that yet. Nothing's been mentioned AFAIK - maybe they just want a gun register? Maybe they just want armed police? Look - that guy wanted to do it in Dunedin - I heard that the nearest AOS is in Chch. Imagine a 2 hr (by helicopter/air) response time for AOS to arrive if there was a major incident. They whole town would have been dead.

timmay556

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#2199531 16-Mar-2019 14:14

Batman:

timmay556:

Such a disappointment that good honest kiwis will be the ones punished the most for this nutjob. So many honest law abiding citizens use firearms each day for enjoyment and now our rights will be eroded once again.

You don't know about that yet. Nothing's been mentioned AFAIK - maybe they just want a gun register? Maybe they just want armed police? Look - that guy wanted to do it in Dunedin - I heard that the nearest AOS is in Chch. Imagine a 2 hr (by helicopter/air) response time for AOS to arrive if there was a major incident. They whole town would have been dead.

Watch the PM's video (about 60 seconds long) on stuff regarding law changes, its pretty clear semis are going to be banned, at least made E Cat.

Gun register wont do squat.

Tracer

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#2199532 16-Mar-2019 14:14

Batman:

You don't know about that yet. Nothing's been mentioned AFAIK - maybe they just want a gun register? Maybe they just want armed police? Look - that guy wanted to do it in Dunedin - I heard that the nearest AOS is in Chch. Imagine a 2 hr (by helicopter/air) response time for AOS to arrive if there was a major incident. They whole town would have been dead.

PM said she is considering a semi-auto ban.

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#2199535 16-Mar-2019 14:21

Tracer:

Batman:

You don't know about that yet. Nothing's been mentioned AFAIK - maybe they just want a gun register? Maybe they just want armed police? Look - that guy wanted to do it in Dunedin - I heard that the nearest AOS is in Chch. Imagine a 2 hr (by helicopter/air) response time for AOS to arrive if there was a major incident. They whole town would have been dead.

PM said she is considering a semi-auto ban.

I see. I don't think we will know the final outcome of any law changes until the everything is considered.

I just read that it took 20 mins for a response (according to witness, not an official time counter) to the shooting - I presume it was for the AOS to arrive. I think AOS response is more important than banning semi-automatics at this stage. It would have been hours for a response to certain areas.

timmay556

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#2199537 16-Mar-2019 14:24

I really hope you are right, but I'm doubtful

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#2199549 16-Mar-2019 14:37

Bluntj:

I was disappointed to see the PM focus on our gun laws when(to me ) they seem fine. The real issue is why this bad dude wasnt on a watch list.

Bad dudes will always find weapons to do carnage no matter what the laws are.

Every gun owner is just one bullet away from being a "bad dude".

Unless you want a surveillance society where every post needs to be "approved" then the sad fact is people will fly under the radar.

I was bought up with "If you can not kill it cleanly with one shot, don't pull the trigger"

There is no need for semi automatic guns, and yes I realise people would still have been killed, but I believe the number would have been less.

timmay556

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#2199557 16-Mar-2019 14:44

There is no need for V8's or Twin Turbo cars.

You would better spend your time banning Alcohol in this country, it probably kills 50 people each week due to the side effects and or drink driving etc

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