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#254269 4-Aug-2019 18:22

Everyone seems to be preoccupied with the latest mass shooting tragedy in the USA, but these are now happening on more than a daily basis and my outrage has been exhausted. Until Americans grow a brain, or balls, it will just continue to be the same old same old. Being mown down when you are just buying an ice cream is a horrible thing to have happen and I am not minimising the awfulness of this, but it just keeps happening. What is one to do?

So my attention has turned to Hong Kong, which is in the process of becoming an even bigger tragedy. The Chinese authorities never back down. There are no signs that the protesters will. This is going to make Tiananmen Square look like a picnic. I have been to Hong Kong and it deserves better than what it is about to get. I weep for the place and the people there. This is not how it was supposed to go.

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#2289884 4-Aug-2019 20:07

One might have expected that the leader of the US might have offered some support for a democratic movement.
Nope. He called out the protestors for being "rioters", thus giving moral support to the Chinese Communist Party who quoted him on their state-controlled media propaganda machine.

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#2289889 4-Aug-2019 20:28

I think you have pretty high expectations of the leader of the US. Maybe in the past, but not now. The Chinese army can move in and crush the protests at any time, and the only thing holding them back at all (not much) is just world opinion. The USA has dropped the ball. The UK is disintegrating. Who else is there to defend the rights of HK? I fear that this is going to end very badly, very soon. As usual, there will be useless hand-wringing and no action from other countries.

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#2289894 4-Aug-2019 20:55

Fred99: One might have expected that the leader of the US might have offered some support for a democratic movement.
Nope. He called out the protestors for being "rioters", thus giving moral support to the Chinese Communist Party who quoted him on their state-controlled media propaganda machine.

Trump will always side with the leadership - even if it's a dictatorship. He doesn't recognise right or wrong.

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#2289896 4-Aug-2019 20:59

From the Trump thread, an example of American's sending "thoughts and prayers":

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#2289900 4-Aug-2019 21:11

freitasm:

Trump will always side with the leadership - ~~even~~ especially if it's a dictatorship. He doesn't recognise right or wrong.

FTFY. :)

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#2340480 19-Oct-2019 10:31

https://variety.com/2019/music/news/zedd-banned-china-south-park-1203368700/

DJ Zedd Banned From China After Liking ‘South Park’ Tweet

Variety By Nate NIckolai

Zedd has been “permanently banned” from China after the German DJ liked a tweet from the “South Park” Twitter account.

Zedd, whose real name is Anton Zaslavski, announced the news via his own Twitter account: “I just got permanently banned from China because I liked a @SouthPark tweet,” he wrote.

@Zedd
I just got permanently banned from China because I liked a @SouthPark tweet.

The”South Park” tweet, which celebrates the show’s 300th episode, appears relatively harmless; however, the popular animated series has recently become embroiled in a serious feud with the Eastern Asian country after it aired an episode, titled “Band in China,” in which Randy Marsh travels to China to sell marijuana from his farm in the Chinese market. While there, he is arrested and witnesses the harsh treatment of Chinese prisoners, including Pooh and Piglet who were after banned Chinese leader Xi Jinping was compared to Pooh in online memes.

Following the episode, reports surfaced that “South Park” had been removed from the Chinese internet and several social media sites.

Show creators Trey Parker and Matt Stone released a statement regarding the show’s ban, saying, “Like the NBA, we welcome the Chinese censors into our homes and into our hearts. We too love money more than freedom and democracy. Xi doesn’t look just like Winnie the Pooh at all. Tune into our 300th episode this Wednesday at 10! Long live the Great Communist Party of China! May this autumn’s sorghum harvest be bountiful! We good now China?”

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#2340481 19-Oct-2019 10:41

https://deadspin.com/adrian-wojnarowski-upset-former-espn-reporter-who-helpe-1838922338

The Future Of Adrian Wojnarowski's Tencent Show Is Up In The Air After He "Liked" Daryl Morey's Hong Kong Tweet

Deadspin by Laura Wagner

Now that last week’s roiling spat between the Chinese government and the NBA has mostly cooled, the global-sports-industrial complex is back to business as usual.

Pre-season NBA games were held in China on Thursday and Saturday and everything went off relatively smoothly (with only a few minor hitches), and the Chinese government has also reportedly tamped down on its rhetoric against the NBA.

One thing that remains to be seen, however, is what is to become of ESPN insider Adrian Wojnarowski’s Chinese basketball show, Woj in the House.

Update: A source with knowledge of the situation, who requested anonymity because they work in the industry, confirms Tencent has told ESPN that it will no longer broadcast Woj in the House.
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#2340486 19-Oct-2019 10:56

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2019/10/16/lebron-james-should-have-said-daryl-morey-china/4000427002/

Opinion: What [basketball star] LeBron James could have — and should have — said about Daryl Morey, China

USA Today By Jeff Zillgitt

USA TODAY Sports' Dan Wolken breaks down LeBron's recent comments regarding [basketball team manager] Daryl Morey's [pro-democracy] tweets about China.

We know what LeBron James said.

Oh, do we ever.

James’ comments haven’t gone over well since he responded Monday to questions about China and Houston Rockets general manager Daryl Morey’s pro-Hong Kong tweet that instigated a crisis for the NBA.

When James said, “I don’t want to get in a word or sentence feud with Daryl Morey. But I believe he wasn’t educated on the situation at hand and he spoke," he should have said, “I support democracy, free speech and denounce human rights abuses throughout the world. It wasn’t a good week for the NBA, and Daryl’s tweet put the players and the league in a challenging situation. That’s all I have to say on the topic.”

That’s not what James said, which is his choice, but the fallout – at least in terms of criticism – has been significant. It's not known yet if there is a financial cost, but his reputation took a hit as his "More Than An Athlete" mantra runs hollow.

It’s been a while since James had a verbal misstep like this one. You’d have to go back to the conclusion of the 2011 NBA Finals between Miami and Dallas when James spoke about the people who were happy to see him fail. This is the harshest criticism he has received since then.

There were several approaches the Los Angeles Lakers superstar could have taken this week but did not.

James also said Monday: "So many people could have been harmed, not only physically or financially, but emotionally and spiritually. Just be careful what we tweet, what we say and what we do. We do have freedom of speech, but there can be a lot of negative things that come with that too."
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He also said, “I also don’t think every issue should be everybody’s problem."
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#2340493 19-Oct-2019 11:33

I want to be banned from China too. I have no wish to spend my time or tourist dollars in a country so up-tight with so little sense of humour or self-reflection or capacity to cope with criticism of any kind, even when well-intended. China has a rich history and there is much of great value there. Fortunately I can explore that virtually. For the record, I think the resemblance between Winnie the Pooh and President Xi is striking and South Park captured perfectly the essence of the country today.

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#2340538 19-Oct-2019 13:43

Hong Kong is another post failed European empire calamity that has been repeated time and time again. The root cause is based in Europe.

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#2340551 19-Oct-2019 13:50

The root cause is based in authoritarian leaders who feel entitled to dictate how others are allowed to think.

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#2340624 19-Oct-2019 15:31

Rikkitic:
The root cause is based in authoritarian leaders who feel entitled to dictate how others are allowed to think.

Yes and I include the European colonial empires in that as well. The UK was still trying to dictate terms when they gave Hong Kong back to their rightful owners.

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#2343384 25-Oct-2019 09:26

"The best clip to start the US NBA basketball season is this kid baiting the broadcast into flashing a 'Fight for freedom stand with Hong Kong' sign on TV

The cameraman quickly pans away"

https://twitter.com/Slasher/status/1186861461026623488

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#2343412 25-Oct-2019 10:32

US Lawmakers Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (Democrat- New York) and Ted Cruz (Republican-Texas) call out Apple for dropping Hong Kong app in joint letter

Lawmakers also criticized Blizzard

The Verge, By Colin Lecher

In two letters, a bipartisan group of lawmakers sharply criticized Apple and Blizzard over their recent actions in China.

The first, addressed to Apple CEO Tim Cook, expresses “strong concern” over the company’s decision to remove an app used by Hong Kong protesters from its App Store.
The app, called HKMap, tracked police presence and was used by pro-democracy activists, but was removed earlier this month after Apple claimed it was being used for criminal activity. The app’s developers said there was no evidence of that, and Apple has been slammed for the move.

“Cases like these raise real concern about whether Apple and other large US corporate entities will bow to growing Chinese demands rather than lose access to a billion Chinese consumers,” the letter says.

The letter was signed by Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR), Sen. Tom Cotton (R-AR), Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL), Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX), Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY), Rep. Mike Gallagher (R-WI), and Rep. Tom Malinowski (D-NJ).

The second letter, signed by some of the same lawmakers, was sent to Activision Blizzard CEO Robert Kotick, and similarly criticizes the company’s decision to ban a competitive Hearthstone player who voiced support for the Hong Kong protesters. The letter says the “disappointing decision could have a chilling effect on gamers who seek to use their platform to promote human rights and basic freedoms.”

The letters suggest the issue of Chinese censorship is one that both Democrats and Republicans are ready to rally behind, to the detriment of companies looking to operate in the country.

“You have the opportunity to reverse course,” the lawmakers wrote to Kotick. “We urge you to take it.”

https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/18/20921300/rebulicans-democrats-blizzard-apple-china-hong-kong-app-censorship

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#2360372 25-Nov-2019 11:02

Hong Kong residents have voted overwhelmingly to reject Beijing control. This is a very big deal. It will be interesting to see how the Chinese leadership responds.

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