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# 255728 26-Aug-2019 13:54
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National Party seems to started campaigning, highlights so far:

 

Drill baby, drill.  Because... why?  It's okay - we know why.
Flog an extra couple of years work out of the elderly - but that's OK, apparently, because Bridges would have to wait an extra couple of years too.
"We'll eliminate two old regulations for every new one we introduce" I wonder where they got that idea?  No - I don't need to wonder - almost verbatim.
Vague promises of tax cuts.
90 day trials reintroduced, despite no evidence at all that they improved employment rates.


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  # 2306579 27-Aug-2019 08:55
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90 day trials was never about increasing employemnt opportunities, but instead to make it easier for small(*) businesses to let people go without the normal due process.

 

I feel the National Super is going the wrong way, we should be looking to make eligibilty younger and phase it in to a UBI scheme. I have seen a lot of places where older people are holding on to jobs preventing younger people from being able to move up. This ends up with higher youth unemployment.

 

Arbitrary targets to cut regulations is just plain knee-jerk reactionary rubbish. It neglects the reasons most regulations were introduced in the first place. They say that safety rules are written in blood. Often the reason a regulation exists to prevent certain actions is because someone was doing it and it was causing problems for other people. Sure it is often a good idea to review and revise/update regulations as technologyt changes etc. However just setting a target to cut X many regulations without looking at the bigger picture is problematic. I think they are already seeing issues in the US with the rollback of many regulations under the Trump admin.

 

 

 

Bridges leaning in to the Trump style of politics is a worrying sign for our country. I just hope our voters see through him andsend the message we don't want that sort of thing here.

 

 

 

 

 

*Definition of small is subject to change depending on needs.




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  # 2306626 27-Aug-2019 10:07
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Varkk:

 

90 day trials was never about increasing employemnt opportunities, but instead to make it easier for small(*) businesses to let people go without the normal due process.

 

*Definition of small is subject to change depending on needs.

 

 

I think as the law stands now, small businesses (<20 employees) can still use 90 day trials anyway.

 

 

 

 

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  # 2306643 27-Aug-2019 10:42
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Varkk:

 

Bridges leaning in to the Trump style of politics is a worrying sign for our country. I just hope our voters see through him andsend the message we don't want that sort of thing here.

 

 

This is the second time I will point this out, but there is a bombastic Minister in the current government who likes to antagonise businesses, dish out money with little care for official oversight and was photographed in the last election campaign with a 'Put New Zealand First' cap. 

 

If you want to hand-wring about Trump-style populism, maybe try the current coalition partner who think human rights should be dished out by referendum. 

 

But I'm guessing most people are only going to see something if they think National is doing it. 

 

 




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  # 2306676 27-Aug-2019 11:37
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GV27:

 

Varkk:

 

Bridges leaning in to the Trump style of politics is a worrying sign for our country. I just hope our voters see through him andsend the message we don't want that sort of thing here.

 

 

This is the second time I will point this out, but there is a bombastic Minister in the current government who likes to antagonise businesses, dish out money with little care for official oversight and was photographed in the last election campaign with a 'Put New Zealand First' cap. 

 

 

True, but that's whataboutism.

 

Bridges seems to have embraced a form of neoliberalism that's a mainly discredited relic from the early '90s.  If they want to go full populist, they'll dump him.


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  # 2306720 27-Aug-2019 13:11
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Fred99:

 

True, but that's whataboutism.

 

Bridges seems to have embraced a form of neoliberalism that's a mainly discredited relic from the early '90s.  If they want to go full populist, they'll dump him.

 

 

Yes, I expected it would be. It generally tends to be when being critical of the current government. 

 

National don't really deserve to govern at this point anyway. Their Wellington MPs are saying they are missing out on infrastructure so Auckland can have Light Rail. The Auckland MPs seem to think people have infinite time and money to waste being stuck in traffic and oppose the 'slow trams' and keep mislabelling it as such. And everyone ignores that the light rail Auckland is supposedly getting at the expense of everyone else is stagnating to the point where even transport activists are vocally pissed off. But it's not a sixteen lane motorway project so National doesn't care.

 

Not good enough. 


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  # 2307198 28-Aug-2019 11:17
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Ardern is outstanding at empathy and useless at everything else. The rest of her team is hopeless at everything.

 

That's one better than National where the whole team is hopeless at everything.

 

And the rest of them? Words fail me.

 

As it stands I won't be voting for anybody.

 

 


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  # 2307217 28-Aug-2019 11:43
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I wonder if we'll see the shackles come off the Government at the election. There's a few big attention-grabbing things they can do; lift the debt to GDP limit, aggressive write-offs of student loans, etc.

 

We are heading towards a 2005-style election with a muddling National Party and a muddling Labour Party. Huge spend-ups are not out of the question even if someone rules things out now. 


 
 
 
 


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  # 2307265 28-Aug-2019 13:34
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GV27:

 

I wonder if we'll see the shackles come off the Government at the election. There's a few big attention-grabbing things they can do; lift the debt to GDP limit, aggressive write-offs of student loans, etc.

 

We are heading towards a 2005-style election with a muddling National Party and a muddling Labour Party. Huge spend-ups are not out of the question even if someone rules things out now. 

 

 

They could fulfill some of the promises made during the last campaign. So many promises made yet so few fulfilled.




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  # 2307967 29-Aug-2019 17:50
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SJB:

 

As it stands I won't be voting for anybody.

 

 

I can understand that, but really - don't do it.

 

At least with your party vote, pick the party - any party - that has a central policy issue that does matter to you .

 

As they say, democracy is terrible - but better than any of the alternatives. One fault is that democracy allows a party (or coalition) with less than a majority of eligible voters to claim they have a "mandate" to implement unpopular policy. 


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  # 2308186 30-Aug-2019 02:29
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Fred99:

 

National Party seems to started campaigning, highlights so far:

 

Drill baby, drill.  Because... why?  It's okay - we know why.
Flog an extra couple of years work out of the elderly - but that's OK, apparently, because Bridges would have to wait an extra couple of years too.
"We'll eliminate two old regulations for every new one we introduce" I wonder where they got that idea?  No - I don't need to wonder - almost verbatim.
Vague promises of tax cuts.
90 day trials reintroduced, despite no evidence at all that they improved employment rates.

 

 

 

 

I agree, there are a few worrying signs there.

 

The one that stands out to me is - "We'll eliminate two old regulations for every new one we introduce".

 

That is just a stupid way to run a country!

 

As taxpayers and voters, I think we should expect smart legislation and not some ridiculous policy based on the amount of it.




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  # 2308231 30-Aug-2019 08:31
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JWR:

 

The one that stands out to me is - "We'll eliminate two old regulations for every new one we introduce".

 

That is just a stupid way to run a country!

 

 

It's populism - pushed by those who'd benefit most from massive deregulation.  (IOW very unlikely to be you or me, and by people who absolutely do not care about you or me).

 

But they can pick issues where we're all hindered by regulation, annoyances with bureaucracy etc, and they'll be dog whistling and using cherry-picked messages in election manifestos. 


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  # 2308250 30-Aug-2019 09:09
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I've been wondering why we are experiencing such a low calibre of politician right around the world these days. Or has it always been like this. Maybe the immediacy and volume of news coverage has exposed the ineptitude of our representatives that was always there.

 

As I posted above I can't think of a single politician here that I hold in high regard or admire and it would be the same if I had stayed in the UK and they have a much larger population to choose from.

 

It's downright depressing.

 

 




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  # 2308259 30-Aug-2019 09:34
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Maybe they've always been as bad as they seem today, the difference being that there's constant scrutiny now through social media or even this forum, comparatively less through the traditional media.  Hence great cynicism (as opposed to critical scepticism).

 

There's no doubt in my mind that most politicians get into the game with the genuine belief that they're going to achieve what they consider to be change for the good, but an overwhelming belief in themselves as "born to rule", enabled by people telling them how marvellous they are. Pragmatism dictates that they have to give up something, and it won't willingly be their place in the pecking order.

 

Humility as a virtue seems to be a thing of the past - not just with politicians.  

 

 


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  # 2308279 30-Aug-2019 10:00
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Won't be a problem who's in charge in 50 years. The whole planet will be run by an AI whose persona will change depending on each persons preferences.

 

World peace at last.


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  # 2308329 30-Aug-2019 11:10
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Fred99:

 

SJB:

 

As it stands I won't be voting for anybody.

 

 

I can understand that, but really - don't do it.

 

At least with your party vote, pick the party - any party - that has a central policy issue that does matter to you .

 

As they say, democracy is terrible - but better than any of the alternatives. One fault is that democracy allows a party (or coalition) with less than a majority of eligible voters to claim they have a "mandate" to implement unpopular policy. 

 

 

So at election time we do due diligence and decide who to vote for, and because of MMP some minor party like NZ First takes control and changes all the key policies I voted for. Its rubbish.


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