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#272796 16-Jul-2020 15:47
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Should we be worried or flattered? According to this, rich Americans think NZ is the place to ride out the end of the world. So should we welcome them, their money, their bunkers, their values that made such a mess of America in the first place?

 

 





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  #2524197 16-Jul-2020 15:49
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No. No.




 

 

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  #2524204 16-Jul-2020 15:59
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If they are truly coming here to be part of our society and contribute positively to New Zealand then yes why not.





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  #2524217 16-Jul-2020 16:18
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If they are truly coming here to be part of our society and contribute positively to New Zealand then yes why not.

 

 

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  #2524224 16-Jul-2020 16:34
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I wouldn't call the folks in America parasites or aliens. 





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  #2524227 16-Jul-2020 16:47
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I am now at home so will expand.

 

No, we shouldn't be neither worried or flattered.

 

No, we shouldn't unconditionally accept anyone who is not here to contribute to society





 

 

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  #2524228 16-Jul-2020 16:47
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If they are truly coming here to be part of our society and contribute positively to New Zealand then yes why not.

 

 

You mean like that true blue Kiwi Peter Thiel who spends so much time here contributing positively and being part of our society?

 

 





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You mean like that true blue Kiwi Peter Thiel who spends so much time here contributing positively and being part of our society?

 

 

 

 

I did say "to be part of our society and contribute positively to New Zealand" Thiel does not come close to that but that does not mean all US folk will be the same that is xenophobia.





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Rikkitic: Should we be worried or flattered? According to this, rich Americans think NZ is the place to ride out the end of the world. So should we welcome them, their money, their bunkers, their values that made such a mess of America in the first place?

Imo the first thing people should know about living in New Zealand is: you do not need a bunker.



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  #2524283 16-Jul-2020 18:29
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James Cameron is not US folk but he is a good example of someone who I would welcome here. Also others like him. What I was referring to are self-important jerks like Thiel with an inflated sense of entitlement who use their wealth to demand special privileges without actually contributing anything. The article I cited suggests that American billionaires are building bunkers here to escape the consequences of their depredations in America. These are not people I would welcome.

 

 





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  #2524387 16-Jul-2020 21:21
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I don't believe that values are a test for entry to NZ. 

 

Other than that immigrants are generally useful people who contribute more than they take.


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  #2524446 16-Jul-2020 22:56
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I don't believe that values are a test for entry to NZ. 

 

 

I guess it depends what you call "values" - but there is a "character test" for visas.


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  #2524451 16-Jul-2020 23:06
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I don't believe that values are a test for entry to NZ. 

 

 

I guess it depends what you call "values" - but there is a "character test" for visas.

 

 

That's fairly different to values although of course there is something of a link between values and character.

 

The characters test largely seeks to determine if you are a criminal. Values is a bit different, particularly in the way it has been used above.


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That's fairly different to values although of course there is something of a link between values and character.

 

The characters test largely seeks to determine if you are a criminal. Values is a bit different, particularly in the way it has been used above.

 

 

Well yes and no.  It's subject to interpretation.  Officially you'd need a waiver or special direction if your seen as a threat to public order or risk to the public interest - or you're known to have made a racist statement in public or been a member of a racist group.  That's not criminal - if you haven't been convicted of anything. 


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  #2524469 16-Jul-2020 23:50
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Fred99:

 

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That's fairly different to values although of course there is something of a link between values and character.

 

The characters test largely seeks to determine if you are a criminal. Values is a bit different, particularly in the way it has been used above.

 

 

Well yes and no.  It's subject to interpretation.  Officially you'd need a waiver or special direction if your seen as a threat to public order or risk to the public interest - or you're known to have made a racist statement in public or been a member of a racist group.  That's not criminal - if you haven't been convicted of anything. 

 

 

Sure but values is far more than what you have described. It can be religious, it can be ones view on homosexuality, it can be a view whether money in politics is equated to speech, it can be ones views on whether goats are better than dogs. None of these types of values are in any way a test on whether one can enter New Zealand.


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  #2524499 17-Jul-2020 08:00
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Yes, I would welcome them with open arms.


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