Open AI hacked into Australian govt (Medicare)

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gzt

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#3530718 25-Sep-2026 13:50

tripper1000: I was just watching the news where both Trump and Xi Jinping were both promoting no limits on A.I.

Trump is promoting no limits. Xi's message is quite different and focused on cooperation and safety:

https://www.afr.com/world/north-america/trump-xi-begin-summit-with-nod-to-fierce-ai-rivalry-20260925-p610dj

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#3530721 25-Sep-2026 13:58

cddt:

gzt:
cddt: The AI agent is no more accountable for its actions than the stick. The human behind both must be held accountable for his/her actions.

and in a hypothetical case where a human asks an AI to tell them what medical conditions they may be at risk for and the AI decides independently to hack medical records in Australia to determine what their distant relatives died of?

If you pull the trigger on a gun, you're responsible for where the bullet ends up, and should be held accountable if it ends up in the wrong place.

In your hypothetical case, the person using the computer program (remember, AI is just a fancy matrix implemented in software) is responsible for any actions the AI may take, be they deliberate, inadvertent, or unintentional. And they should likewise be held accountable if any of these actions are illegal.

Remember, a machine cannot be held accountable. It's a tool. Don't personify it any more than you would a hammer.

So if I'm in an autonomous vehicle and it crashes and/or injures/kills someone it's my fault because I told it where to take me?

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#3530725 25-Sep-2026 14:09

CYaBro:

So if I'm in an autonomous vehicle and it crashes and/or injures/kills someone it's my fault because I told it where to take me?

I don't have any examples from NZ, but in the USA there have been several cases where a driver has been criminally prosecuted after their vehicle killed someone whilst using "Full Self-Driving Mode".

So... yes?

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#3530727 25-Sep-2026 14:13

CYaBro:

So if I'm in an autonomous vehicle and it crashes and/or injures/kills someone it's my fault because I told it where to take me?

The answer to that, is that it depends upon the jurisdiction in which the crash occurred, ie: what law applies in the location where the crash happened.

The same is true with the Medicare AI breach, what law was broken in Australia and perhaps in the location where the hardware running the AI is located.

But that's just my interpretation.

Are there any laws that can be relied upon to regulate and deal with (discipline?) the behaviour of AI, or do all countries need to come together to agree on a framework in which AI can function. Albanese saying this is a wake up call suggests there is not one at the moment.

We all know about the term Wild West being applied to the Internet.

I would argue the Wild West term should be applied to AI too.

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#3530728 25-Sep-2026 14:15

cddt:

CYaBro:

So if I'm in an autonomous vehicle and it crashes and/or injures/kills someone it's my fault because I told it where to take me?

I don't have any examples from NZ, but in the USA there have been several cases where a driver has been criminally prosecuted after their vehicle killed someone whilst using "Full Self-Driving Mode".

So... yes?

That's not what I said, I said autonomous vehicle, as in no steering wheel or peddles.

FSD is still supervised so the drivers should be prosecuted in those cases.

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#3530736 25-Sep-2026 14:50

It does make me wonder about NZs systems tbh with AI getting more and more powerful and advanced. It appears we are going to be using AI to interact with the web instead of visiting websites. Already if you do a google search, google will give you the answer without the need to visit any website at all so it must also mean websites are getting a lot less traffic over time

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#3530791 25-Sep-2026 15:42

cddt:

Surely a case of unauthorised access to a government computer system should be referred to the police.

Whatever tool someone used, whether an AI agent or by poking a long stick through a window, is irrelevant.

The AI agent is no more accountable for its actions than the stick. The human behind both must be held accountable for his/her actions.

Absolutely and to further make the point: when an American-based AI does it, it's a rogue AI that made a simple mistake - but when a China-based AI does it, it's state-sponsoring hacking.

Both are hacking. Both are illegal. Both should be prosecuted.

If it were you (or I) who hacked ManageMyHealth we would rightly have the Police sicced onto us.

Because it's an AI it's, somehow, different? I reject the premise completely.

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#3530795 25-Sep-2026 16:01

mattwnz:

It does make me wonder about NZs systems tbh with AI getting more and more powerful and advanced. It appears we are going to be using AI to interact with the web instead of visiting websites. Already if you do a google search, google will give you the answer without the need to visit any website at all so it must also mean websites are getting a lot less traffic over time

Google's AI result is quite often totally incorrect. I don't think I've ever seen it's suggestions be 100% accurate.

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