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#78075 26-Feb-2011 11:28

I have HTPC as per signature but keep losing channels and have picture breakup and jerky picture with Freeview Terrestrial. I have 100% signal strength and 95% quality. Was wondering if the hVR-3000 would be better card even though it is pci against pcie like the trinity. If so which is best driver for windows 7. When watching DVD movies the sound is up and down and sometimes so loud it deafens and then so low you cant hear. worse with The Mummy Returns. Plays fine and sound even on Pioneer Dv 383 player.
At moment just using the onboard 4250 graphics and sound.

Also have Asrock Motherboard with AMD Athlon 11 255 AND 4GB ddr2. Has the nvidia 7025 chipset. Difference between 2 is mainly this uses ddr2 against ddr3 on gm880. would the asrock be better with discrete grahpics card.

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#443651 26-Feb-2011 13:47

Hi Gilco2

Gilco2: I have HTPC as per signature but keep losing channels and have picture breakup and jerky picture with Freeview Terrestrial. I have 100% signal strength and 95% quality. Was wondering if the hVR-3000 would be better card even though it is pci against pcie like the trinity. If so which is best driver for windows 7.

PCI against PCIe makes little or no difference in signal strength and quality. Also, you can't compare the percentages from one tuner to another because tuner and demodulator chips have different characteristics.
- Have you checked how much CPU is being used when you try to watch channels?
- Are some channels worse than others?
- Is the signal strength 100% and quality 95% on *all* multiplexes?
- Why are you using the 4250 when your signature says you have a 5670? (The 4250 is unlikely to be able to handle Freeview HD, especially TV One, TV 2 and TV 3.)
- Have you installed random codec packs or other HTPC software (for example, PowerDVD)
- Approximately where are you living - could signal strength be too strong, or does your aerial/cabling system need checking for intermittent faults?

When watching DVD movies the sound is up and down and sometimes so loud it deafens and then so low you cant hear. worse with The Mummy Returns. Plays fine and sound even on Pioneer Dv 383 player.
At moment just using the onboard 4250 graphics and sound.

How many speakers do you have, and what speaker setup have you configured in Windows? Sounds like you are using the 5.1 soundtrack but you only have 2 speakers...

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#443657 26-Feb-2011 14:15

Using the 4250 as didnt seem to make much difference to picture. TVNZ 7 is the worst for breakup. TV one worst for jerkiness. TV3 one of the best.
Using cccp codec pac with haali splitter and I think its called ac3 filter 1.63b.

Just isnstalled powerdvd 10 ultra.

Clear line of sight to transmitter in papamoa hills. 3kmm away

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#443701 26-Feb-2011 19:21

Gilco2: Using the 4250 as didnt seem to make much difference to picture. TVNZ 7 is the worst for breakup. TV one worst for jerkiness. TV3 one of the best.
Using cccp codec pac with haali splitter and I think its called ac3 filter 1.63b.

Just isnstalled powerdvd 10 ultra.

Clear line of sight to transmitter in papamoa hills. 3kmm away

The default codecs that are apart of windows 7 will work the best. I'd say the other codecs you have installed are responsible for the breakup/jerkiness.

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#443707 26-Feb-2011 19:49

Gilco2: Using the 4250 as didnt seem to make much difference to picture. TVNZ 7 is the worst for breakup. TV one worst for jerkiness. TV3 one of the best.
Using cccp codec pac with haali splitter and I think its called ac3 filter 1.63b.

Just isnstalled powerdvd 10 ultra.

Clear line of sight to transmitter in papamoa hills. 3kmm away

Remove all of these codec packs. They will be the cause of all your problems.

The Windows7 DTV codec is the best option for DVB-T in NZ. Do you have the very latest ATI drivers? These had massive issues with H.264 up until ~18 months ago and really only solved them fully a year ago.

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#443711 26-Feb-2011 20:15

I installed the codecs to watch Mp4 and MKV files.
I had the ATI 5670 but didnt have much improvement and it made the fan in power supply noisey. I have been using catalyst 10.4 drivers

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#443731 26-Feb-2011 21:23

Hmm, I use catalyst 10.4 myself with my HD4670 and MediaPortal SVN in Manawatu - no problems whatsoever.

So are you in the hills, or on the flat? I've heard that reception in the hills can be tricky. I assume you're using a roof antenna?
- is it UHF?
- anything else connected to it (and does it have any reception issues)?

You didn't mention CPU usage, list strength and quality numbers for each mux, or say how many speakers you have so I can still only speculate about the causes of the issue/s. Codecs could be the problem for TV... but I'm not convinced that your signal is perfect since you say some channels are worse than others and TV 3 is best (TV 3 is one of the most taxing to decode). Could be a combination of codecs and signal...

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#443739 26-Feb-2011 21:56

I am on the flat at Papamoa and aerial pointing to the transmitter on the hills 3 km away. Nothing blocking signl and yes it is uhf aerial and vertical alignment as required for this transmitter. I cant give cpu useage as I am going to reinstall windows 7 from scratch. I have tried mythbuntu and mythdora but neither will install. They get approx 3/4 of way through installing and freeze just like Vista. I have seen on a couple of forums where others cant get Vista to install on this particular motherboard. So have decided to just persevere with Windows 7 and media center. Thats main reason asking about HVR-3000 or Trinity before I install windows 7 again. Just using HDMI from computer to TV. No external speakers. Have a Sony Freeview setup and no problems whatever.

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#443757 26-Feb-2011 22:58

Hi again

I cant give cpu useage as I am going to reinstall windows 7 from scratch. I have tried mythbuntu and mythdora but neither will install. They get approx 3/4 of way through installing and freeze just like Vista. I have seen on a couple of forums where others cant get Vista to install on this particular motherboard. So have decided to just persevere with Windows 7 and media center. Thats main reason asking about HVR-3000 or Trinity before I install windows 7 again.

I've had the same thing happen to me a couple of times, and I don't know what caused it. I use a Core2 and an Asus P5W DH Deluxe motherboard. I think what I ended up doing was pulling out or disabling [in BIOS] everything except one stick of RAM and the video card. That got me through the install, and once the OS was installed I was able to add the rest of the hardware back in. No idea why that happened, but if you were desperate to use one of the other OSs then you could try the same. I'd probably recommend 7 anyway unless you know Linux well...

Just using HDMI from computer to TV. No external speakers. Have a Sony Freeview setup and no problems whatever.

Right, that's good information. So with the DVD problem: I guess the TV only has stereo speakers built in, so try the stereo soundtrack if it is available, or get AC3Filter to downmix to stereo.

Since you're reinstalling, it is a good opportunity to try TV on a "clean" system. Before you install any other software or codec packs, install your TV card and fire up MC. If you still have problems then you will know you have a signal problem. In that case I'd be trying a different splitter output or a direct connection to the aerial. Alternatively, if MC works flawlessly it might be best to stick with the Microsoft codecs. In my experience, nine times out of ten they will do the job - maybe not the best, but they will work. If MKV and MP4 files are important, then you might try following this guide.

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#443770 26-Feb-2011 23:52

Thanyou for your help. Will try those tomorrow and update how I got on. The internet tv tip is a good point also

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#444014 28-Feb-2011 09:10

Reinstalled Windows 7 HP 32bit with latest drivers and catylyst 11.2. The latest Avermedia Trinity drivers from their site. The only codecs I installed is latest Divx.
Watching TV so far all good. TV1. 2 and 7 cpu 10% to 25%
TV3 cpu 16% to 29%

Watching Divx, Mp4 and MKV through media centre cpu 8%-12%. Still have the odd time where video freezes and get a stuttering sound like someone pressing a key on an organ on and off repeatedly. Cpu still shows around 8%

Watching DVD the sound is still up and down so talking will be loud, then part way through the conversation it is so low you cant hear then back to normal, all in the one converstion.

Watching on LG 26inch tv with stereo sound

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#444080 28-Feb-2011 11:44

Hi again

You need to find out what audio codec is being used when you're playing DVDs, and make sure that codec is configured to output stereo rather than 7.1 or 5.1 sound. Try to use GraphStudio to connect to the MC graph - that will tell you what codec is being used. If it is DivX then I have no idea how to configure the audio output, however I guess the best thing to do would be to go through your Windows sound settings and make sure everything is set to "stereo" or "2 ch".

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#444719 2-Mar-2011 11:25

Hi, All working well now.
I am using onboard ati4250 graphics. Reinstalled windows 7 32bit home premium. Downloaded divx 7 codecs as they integrate mp4 and mkv with media center. Downloaded latest 2009 avermedai trinity drivers and catylist 11.2 drivers. Installed powerdvd 10 ultra for bluray.
Sound on movies especially The Mummy Returns is perfect. In powerdvd I was able to tweak audio more than in sound control in the control panel. All working well.
When switch to live tv after a minute the sound is perfect and picture does a quick backwards and forwards flick for just over a second and then is perfect, so i am happy. Now only hope it stays like That.

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#444988 2-Mar-2011 21:37

spoke too soon tvnz okay, no signal with tv3,4,TV3 plus1,c4. All other channels fine. On TV in lounge with built in Freeview all channels no problem. In past if I rescan it finds channels then couple days later loses these ones.

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#445029 3-Mar-2011 00:01

Sounds like you have a signal problem. All of the channels that you listed are on one mux. You can't really compare the TV reception with the computer reception since the tuners will have different sensitivities.

How are you splitting the aerial signal?
Have you checked the aerial alignment?
What happens if you try to connect the computer to the TV feed and/or remove the splitter?

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#446393 7-Mar-2011 18:54

not practical to as splitter is in ceiling. Going to scrap system and build new one. New install it locked up and wouldnt turn off. Then watching tv lost signal watch tv1 and showing 1 frame then freeze then another frame. A 1gb file copy took 4 hours. Cpu usage showed 90% when nothing was running only desktop. System monitor showed nothing unusual running. Then system starts up randomly anytime. Have done memory and hard drive diagnostic and all pass. Cpu temps stayed 36 deg. So as said going ffor new build so will also use HVR-2200 in new build

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