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#1401388 6-Oct-2015 22:41

There's been some chatter on LET (LowEndTalk) and other forums recently about strange routing via NTT all around the globe. It seems to only effect routes that traverse NTT, and a lot of people have been seeing NTT rather than their normal provider. I've been seeing NTT for the last week to online.net servers via Snap Fibre, including via Mumbai which is a new one.

Tracing route to ns323060.ip-94-23-206.eu [94.23.206.222]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 3 ms 1 ms 1 ms fritz.box [192.168.178.1]
2 4 ms 4 ms 3 ms 111-69-1-254.core.snap.net.nz [111.69.1.254]
3 18 ms 17 ms 17 ms 32.27.69.111.static.snap.net.nz [111.69.27.32]
4 18 ms 18 ms 18 ms 33.27.69.111.static.snap.net.nz [111.69.27.33]
5 18 ms 18 ms 17 ms ae5-2.akbr7.global-gateway.net.nz [210.55.202.213]
6 42 ms 42 ms 44 ms xe7-0-2.sgbr3.global-gateway.net.nz [202.50.232.10]
7 42 ms 42 ms 44 ms ae2-10.sgbr4.global-gateway.net.nz [202.50.232.246]
8 42 ms 42 ms 43 ms ae-3.a04.sydnau03.au.ra.gin.ntt.net [103.13.80.125]
9 42 ms 43 ms 46 ms ae-3.r05.sydnau01.au.bb.gin.ntt.net [202.68.64.124]
10 154 ms 175 ms 154 ms ae-8.r20.tokyjp05.jp.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.3.76]
11 155 ms 155 ms 155 ms ae-3.r30.tokyjp05.jp.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.7.70]
12 197 ms 155 ms 198 ms ae-14.r22.tkokhk01.hk.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.5.134]
13 197 ms 200 ms 197 ms ae-3.r23.tkokhk01.hk.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.3.89]
14 256 ms * 197 ms ae-8.r00.tkokhk01.hk.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.5.83]
15 321 ms 250 ms * ix-24-0.tcore1.HK2-Hong-Kong.as6453.net [180.87.112.153]
16 323 ms * * if-9-2.tcore2.PDI-Palo-Alto.as6453.net [180.87.180.17]
17 353 ms * 353 ms if-2-2.tcore1.PDI-Palo-Alto.as6453.net [66.198.127.1]
18 353 ms 358 ms 352 ms if-2-2.tcore1.PDI-Palo-Alto.as6453.net [66.198.127.1]
19 354 ms 355 ms 354 ms if-1-2.tcore1.NYY-New-York.as6453.net [66.198.127.6]
20 329 ms 355 ms 329 ms nwk-5-a9.nj.us [192.99.146.48]
21 401 ms 331 ms 401 ms ldn-5-a9.uk.eu [198.27.73.10]
22 401 ms 401 ms 398 ms rbx-g2-a9.fr.eu [91.121.128.88]
23 460 ms 480 ms 397 ms vss-2-6k.routers.ovh.net [91.121.131.89]
24 399 ms 424 ms 406 ms vss-2-6k.routers.ovh.net [91.121.131.89]
25 425 ms 424 ms 424 ms ns323060.ip-94-23-206.eu [94.23.206.222]

Trace complete.

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#1401451 7-Oct-2015 07:07

phantomdb:
freitasm: Moved to correct subforum.

Where did this get moved to?

from the UFB forum to the Spark forum because its a thread about a spark connection

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#1401519 7-Oct-2015 09:48

More Vocus:

6 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms tengige0-0-2-0-308.aktnz-art1.fx.net.nz [202.53.187.194]
7 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms ten-0-3-0-1002.bdr01.akl05.akl.vocus.net.nz [175.45.102.57]
8 127 ms 127 ms 127 ms ten-0-1-0-3.cor01.alb01.akl.vocus.net.nz [114.31.202.42]
9 127 ms 127 ms 127 ms bundle-200.cor01.lax01.ca.vocus.net [114.31.202.45]
10 128 ms 128 ms 129 ms bundle-101.bdr01.lax01.ca.vocus.net [114.31.199.61]
11 127 ms 127 ms 127 ms any2ix.coresite.com [206.72.210.214]
12 187 ms 187 ms 187 ms nwk-5-a9.nj.us [198.27.73.191]
13 256 ms 256 ms 256 ms ldn-5-a9.uk.eu [178.32.135.165]
14 259 ms 260 ms 259 ms rbx-g2-a9.fr.eu [91.121.128.88]
15 259 ms 326 ms 259 ms vss-2-6k.routers.ovh.net [91.121.131.89]
16 258 ms 258 ms 258 ms ns323060.ip-94-23-206.eu [94.23.206.222]

Once again, Vocus International has superior routing to europe. Global gateway seems to always have rubbish routing to europe, i've yet to find an IP range that doesn't hop all over the place, or take an asymmetric route that circumnavigates the globe.

Someone i know is actually looking to move ISP specifically to one with vocus upstream (hasn't picked yet) because they are sick of the global gateway routes.

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#1401566 7-Oct-2015 10:30

There a list somewhere of ISP's that use Vocus? Getting sick of the terrible Europe routing now

Edit: NVM, forgot about ispmap http://www.ispmap.co.nz/realtime.php

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#1401608 7-Oct-2015 10:57

JamesL: NVM, forgot about ispmap http://www.ispmap.co.nz/realtime.php

Why can't I see any references to Spark or it's ISPs on there?

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#1401611 7-Oct-2015 11:00

ghettomaster:
JamesL: NVM, forgot about ispmap http://www.ispmap.co.nz/realtime.php

Why can't I see any references to Spark or it's ISPs on there?

Xtra -> Global Gateway

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#1401650 7-Oct-2015 11:32

Can't really see any isp's that I'd be compelled to use, that go via Vocus :/

Maxnet would be ideal, but $124 for naked unlimited + $10/mth for a static IP. . .

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#1401659 7-Oct-2015 11:46

Same here - all the Vocus ISP's seem to be ones I've not had the best experiences with.

Personally I've always said stick with the big boys - they tend to have the biggest backhaul and therefore perform well.

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#1401663 7-Oct-2015 11:53

JamesL: Can't really see any isp's that I'd be compelled to use, that go via Vocus :/

Voyager?

Vocus has has its own share of problems too: had OVH traffic going through Australia last year, with noticeable packet loss and significant drop in speeds (from ~9MB/s to ~1MB/s.) Lasted for a week or two IIRC.

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#1401666 7-Oct-2015 12:01

Hmm interesting. Do Voyager go through Vocus? I don't know how up to date that ispmap is but currently Voyager is only listed as going via Telstraclear

I can barely get more than 5Mbit/s to OVH at the moment thanks to the round the world trip routing via GG atm.

Worst of all the two ISP's I have at home, Snap and Spark, are both affected :|

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#1401674 7-Oct-2015 12:13

JamesL: NVM, forgot about ispmap http://www.ispmap.co.nz/realtime.php

Looks broken to me. I can see some inaccuracies.

I personally use bgp.he.net but takes a bit of knowledge to drive.

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#1401675 7-Oct-2015 12:14

Fair call.

Anyone in Wellington on Voyager?

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#1401678 7-Oct-2015 12:23

JamesL: Hmm interesting. Do Voyager go through Vocus?

Voyager use Vodafone and Vocus as their upstreams

http://bgp.he.net/AS56030#_graph4

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#1401692 7-Oct-2015 12:54

Who runs ispmap.co.nz? I wonder if they could update it.

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#1401694 7-Oct-2015 12:55

M2 ISP's (Slingshot/Orcon,Flip,2Talk) all use Vocus as the primary upstream. Also, Vocus and M2 have just announced a company merger so there is little danger of any change to the routing .

From Flip -

[root@test1 ~]# traceroute 94.23.206.222
traceroute to 94.23.206.222 (94.23.206.222), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
1 103-9-40-81.flip.co.nz (103.9.40.81) 1.673 ms 1.567 ms 1.578 ms
2 ak3-r1.flip.co.nz (119.224.142.197) 0.177 ms 0.197 ms 0.190 ms
3 pts-n.cpcak4-r1.tranzpeer.net (101.98.5.20) 0.277 ms 0.243 ms 0.251 ms
4 pts-s.cpcak4-r1.tranzpeer.net (101.98.5.21) 0.758 ms 0.772 ms 0.771 ms
5 bundle-100.bdr02.akl05.akl.vocus.net.nz (175.45.102.65) 1.675 ms 2.112 ms 2.521 ms
6 bundle-10.cor01.akl05.akl.VOCUS.net.nz (114.31.202.100) 126.356 ms 125.614 ms 126.166 ms
7 bundle-50.cor01.alb01.akl.VOCUS.net.nz (114.31.202.86) 125.579 ms 125.783 ms bundle-200.cor02.lax01.ca.VOCUS.net (114.31.202.47) 125.484 ms
8 bundle-100.cor01.lax01.ca.VOCUS.net (114.31.199.48) 125.482 ms bundle-200.cor01.lax01.ca.VOCUS.net (114.31.202.45) 125.586 ms bundle-100.cor01.lax01.ca.VOCUS.net (114.31.199.48) 125.570 ms
9 bundle-101.bdr01.lax01.ca.VOCUS.net (114.31.199.61) 126.290 ms 125.838 ms 126.479 ms
10 any2ix.coresite.com (206.72.210.214) 125.432 ms 125.602 ms 125.671 ms
11 nwk-5-a9.nj.us (198.27.73.165) 185.263 ms 185.413 ms 185.802 ms
12 ldn-5-a9.uk.eu (178.32.135.165) 254.274 ms ldn-5-a9.uk.eu (198.27.73.10) 254.036 ms ldn-5-a9.uk.eu (178.32.135.165) 253.671 ms
13 rbx-g2-a9.fr.eu (91.121.128.88) 261.485 ms 258.773 ms 261.622 ms
14 vss-2-6k.routers.ovh.net (91.121.131.89) 298.941 ms vss-2b-6k.routers.ovh.net (94.23.122.94) 260.607 ms vss-2-6k.routers.ovh.net (91.121.131.89) 271.318 ms
15 ns323060.ip-94-23-206.eu (94.23.206.222) 270.539 ms 270.427 ms 269.521 ms

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