[TelstraClear] TCL Cable vs Red Network

Forums › One NZ (including Farmside) › [TelstraClear] TCL Cable vs Red Network

1 | 2

michaeln

238 posts

Master Geek
+1 received by user: 44

Trusted

#136670 9-Jun-2008 14:54

langi27:
Does Telstraclear truly beleive that paying $229 per month for their Wrapspeed 25MB/s and 120GB datacap represents true value for money........when Vodafone who can offer somewhere close to half (10MB/s as an actual and 8.5MB/s as usable) for 1/3 the price?

Not a fair comparison, since the data caps are vastly different. Best comparison would be Voda Ultimate: $90 for 20GB, with another 20GB for $30. Assuming you can purchase as many 20GB packs at $30 each as you want (the web site is not clear on this), then the equivalet of the TCL WarpSpeed plan costs $240 vs WarpSpeed at $229.

Assuming only 10M is actually acheived on the ADSL2+ network, then the baseline Voda Ultimate pack at $90 for 20G compares with TCL LightSpeed 20G at $69.95 for 10Mbps and 20GB).

langi27

683 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 239

#136674 9-Jun-2008 15:09

Agree not fair comparison, but I'm not in the market for 120GB data cap, TLC arn't going to give me a discount for every 20GB I don't use, if I want more data i'd prefer the Vodafone model where you buy extra data packets....... bottom line is that I want 25MB/s, I don't want to pay $229 per month.

Can VF give me ADSL2+ Speeds?...not yet but soon.

Is their pricing competitivate? it appears so.

Will I switch? depends if TLC can drop their very expensive 25MB/s plan.

Don't get me wrong I like TLC, I think they provide a very good service. I just want to see action action action.

olof

154 posts

Master Geek
+1 received by user: 50

Trusted

One NZ

#136675 9-Jun-2008 15:09

As I said, I cannot comment on the future product side of things. Plans will obviously evolve going forward.

Olof Olsson - my views are my own.

lchiu7

6521 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 543

Trusted

#136727 9-Jun-2008 18:10

michaeln:
langi27:
Does Telstraclear truly beleive that paying $229 per month for their Wrapspeed 25MB/s and 120GB datacap represents true value for money........when Vodafone who can offer somewhere close to half (10MB/s as an actual and 8.5MB/s as usable) for 1/3 the price?

Not a fair comparison, since the data caps are vastly different. Best comparison would be Voda Ultimate: $90 for 20GB, with another 20GB for $30. Assuming you can purchase as many 20GB packs at $30 each as you want (the web site is not clear on this), then the equivalet of the TCL WarpSpeed plan costs $240 vs WarpSpeed at $229.

Assuming only 10M is actually acheived on the ADSL2+ network, then the baseline Voda Ultimate pack at $90 for 20G compares with TCL LightSpeed 20G at $69.95 for 10Mbps and 20GB).

Mike

Can you verify or deny my comment about it would be hard for TCL to unbundle because their architecture is not the same as Telecom's - that is it's a cabinetised type structure, rather than local Exchanges where a competitor could put in their own DSLAMs?

I would imagine it would even be harder to tap into the cable network?

Staying in Wellington. Check out my AirBnB in the Wellington CBD. https://www.airbnb.co.nz/h/wellycbd PM me and mention GZ to get a 15% discount and no AirBnB charges.

BarTender

3629 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 2572

ID Verified

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#136803 9-Jun-2008 22:08

lchiu7: Can you verify or deny my comment about it would be hard for TCL to unbundle because their architecture is not the same as Telecom's - that is it's a cabinetised type structure, rather than local Exchanges where a competitor could put in their own DSLAMs?

I would imagine it would even be harder to tap into the cable network?

I know TCL do wholesale their Cable network, as Xtreme and SNAP both on-sell their cable services. It's all routed via the internal HFC network, then out via the other provider, there is no chance that anyone else would get a crack directly at TCL's HFC network, and their copper network is only good for analogue phone lines as they would need to go out and install DSLAMS all over the place and would not have any space to fit a DSLAM in the cabinets they already have from what I have seen.

Crowbar

150 posts

Master Geek
+1 received by user: 19

#136832 10-Jun-2008 01:30

Cable v xDSL (in NZ), not this again, there is no vs, its not even worth talking about.

Why on earth do you want 25mbps, I find 10mbps to fast. Its ridiculously fast. I can't think of anything I would need more speed for.

Dyson

Shop now for Dyson appliances (affiliate link).

BarTender

3629 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 2572

ID Verified

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#136846 10-Jun-2008 07:21

I have been at a customer who is on the KAREN network, and being able to download a 4GB Linux ISO from the US in less than 30 mins.... That's what broadband is all about!

sbiddle

30853 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 9996

Retired Mod

Trusted

Biddle Corp

Lifetime subscriber

#136880 10-Jun-2008 09:03

Crowbar: Cable v xDSL (in NZ), not this again, there is no vs, its not even worth talking about.

Why on earth do you want 25mbps, I find 10mbps to fast. Its ridiculously fast. I can't think of anything I would need more speed for.

This is a point that many people seem to completely overlook. What use is superfast broadband for the average user?

The speeds you can get are directly tied back to the server you are connected to and it's own internet connection. For general web surfing the difference between 10Mbps and 25Mbps isn't even noticeable. If you're downloading a large file then maybe it will be - but remember if that server you are connecting to is sitting on a 100Mbps LAN connection and and had any more than a handful of people connecting to it at the same time then you will never get 25Mbps anyway.

It's a bit like DOCSIS3 - if you look at places like Singapore who have deployed this they will give you 100Mbps to selected sites, simply because the internet is not capable of supporting 100Mbps connections for every user. It's fantastic if you're caching local content or need great local bandwidth for IPTV etc but in terms of internet surfing it's not a big deal.

michaeln

238 posts

Master Geek
+1 received by user: 44

Trusted

#136953 10-Jun-2008 11:02

lchiu7:
Mike

Can you verify or deny my comment about it would be hard for TCL to unbundle because their architecture is not the same as Telecom's - that is it's a cabinetised type structure, rather than local Exchanges where a competitor could put in their own DSLAMs?

I would imagine it would even be harder to tap into the cable network?

The TCL copper network is fully cabinetised and there is not a lot of room in the cabinets, which does present some challenges.

It would be difficult to tap into the cable network in order to allow 3rd parties to install their own head-end equipment, though not impossible. You would need to allocate downstream and upstream frequencies to the 3rd party; and then manage them carefully---someone switching their headend to the wrong frequency would be Bad (tm). Frequencies are also a scarce resource, so if TCL agreed to do this, the fair cost would be quite high.

OTOH, TCL have always offered wholesale service to other ISPs on the cable network

mushion22

297 posts

Ultimate Geek

Trusted

#137522 12-Jun-2008 02:36

Hmmm TelstraClear dont seem to be gearing up for LLU competition to cable at all... http://www.geekzone.co.nz/paradoxsm/5208

1 | 2