Is Vodafone giving up on UltraFast HFC /FibreX? (Not offered to new customers)

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#2490891 25-May-2020 09:40

DjShadow:

hio77:

if memory serves right, when VF took the jump a few years back into actually looking after it, they pulled it up to DOCSIS 3.0 - or was it 3.1?

That's still a massive standard thanks to the likes of America.

DOCSIS 3.1

If Wikipedia is right then it supports upto 10 gig so they can easily compete with Chorus Hyperfibre

And there is a new docsis upgrade called Docsis 4.0 not far away being finalised by cable labs.

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#2490910 25-May-2020 10:11

I don't know if they would remove the network, I imagine it would be cheaper just to leave it where it is.

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#2490913 25-May-2020 10:14

Everything is speculation at the moment i'm awaiting official word from Vodafone about the Docsis 3.1 network.

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#2490942 25-May-2020 10:45

quickymart:

I don't know if they would remove the network, I imagine it would be cheaper just to leave it where it is.

Certainly would be cheaper, but I wonder what obligations or incentives they have to remove when it's no longer in use.

I'm not sure how it works with the electricity lines companies - if Vodafone pay some sort of rental to allow use of power poles for the overhead network - if so, that would provide some incentive to Vodafone to pull down the overhead network. And surely councils must have some mechanism to get them to remove at least the larger cabinets.

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#2490993 25-May-2020 12:30

I believe there is still network around Wellington and Auckland from First Media - Telecom's cable outing in the late 1990's, that's still in the ground untouched. If that hasn't been removed by now it probably won't be any time soon.

But yes, I'd be curious to see if Vodafone would remove the cable network as well, although I doubt it.

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#2490999 25-May-2020 12:44

quickymart:

I believe there is still network around Wellington and Auckland from First Media - Telecom's cable outing in the late 1990's, that's still in the ground untouched. If that hasn't been removed by now it probably won't be any time soon.

But yes, I'd be curious to see if Vodafone would remove the cable network as well, although I doubt it.

Will most likely be the same with the copper network once part become decommissioned

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#2491019 25-May-2020 13:16

Elmoz:

Am interested in the answer to this as one of my friends on VF HFC called Vodafone when his contract was up and they offered him a new deal - as part of that deal he had to move to Chorus fibre.

I am in the same position as your friend. My plan is due for renewal. Not really up with these possible changes. What difference would it possibly make.?

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#2491078 25-May-2020 14:24

DjShadow:

DOCSIS 3.1

If Wikipedia is right then it supports upto 10 gig so they can easily compete with Chorus Hyperfibre

but its not symmetrical so it cant compete

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#2491259 25-May-2020 19:21

quickymart:

I believe there is still network around Wellington and Auckland from First Media - Telecom's cable outing in the late 1990's, that's still in the ground untouched. If that hasn't been removed by now it probably won't be any time soon.

But yes, I'd be curious to see if Vodafone would remove the cable network as well, although I doubt it.

It's my understanding that contractually if Vodafone stop using the network it has to be removed from the poles. This would cost $$$$$

The First Media coax is still around in the Hutt and Whitby where it is underground. The overhead cables in Silverstream, Wadestown and Mt Victoria all got removed.

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#2491266 25-May-2020 20:02

Ah yes that's what I was thinking of. I remember the aerial ones were taken down but it would have been too costly to remove the underground ones, so they just left then where they are.

So it's cheaper for them to leave the cable network on the poles, with (theoretically - I could be wrong) eventually no one connected to it, assuming that the statements in here are correct and they're moving away from the cable network? What about when the cables start falling off the poles, or the poles need replacement, etc?

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#2491333 25-May-2020 20:29

Cable TV.. has it been sold to Sky ??

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#2491395 25-May-2020 21:02

yitz:

Cable TV.. has it been sold to Sky ??

@yitz No

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#2491398 25-May-2020 21:14

sbiddle:

It's my understanding that contractually if Vodafone stop using the network it has to be removed from the poles. This would cost $$$$$

The First Media coax is still around in the Hutt and Whitby where it is underground. The overhead cables in Silverstream, Wadestown and Mt Victoria all got removed.

Pole Access Rights.... you can't leave your kit on their if you're not going to use it, and you have to pay for the use of the poles. Given so much of wellington is covered by aerial access, the rights are valuable even if the visual blight is there. Anyway, my thoughts havent really changed over the years on this:

1, Take network down. $$$$ for dismantling and disposal plus the opportunity cost of tying up so much manpower. $$$ costs to migrate what customers you can retain to something new, recognising a good chunk will use the forced migration to vote with their feet, disgruntled.

2, Do nothing, watch the utilisation drop away along with your customers as they mostly go to your competitors. Your fixed costs keep going even if they are small... and then you have to take the network down as per above. $$$$$$

3, Lip service. $$$. But your customers can see you arent investing and will (eventually) vote with their feet. Happening now as t-box replacements are hard to come by, the legacy voice services are barely functioning, the propositions are terrible relative to mobile offers (how can a call landline to mobile possibly still cost 39c/minute. Or voice features cost $4/month each. seriously??). Scenario (2) at a slower pace

4, Do something. Many $. Converting all HFC to pure IP is a good idea but you face migration costs from old to new. See (1) above for the disgruntled. Good way to burn money

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#2491413 25-May-2020 21:54

When you put it like that, they're kinda stuffed anyway you look at it.

So if TCL (and later Vodafone) had acted earlier, is there any way this situation/scenario could have been avoided, or was this always an (eventual) forgone conclusion?

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#2491454 25-May-2020 22:21

They could have started to extend the fiber to the houses in the cable network area and have their own network that was up there with choruses but earlier on and be selling access on it to other ISPs like chorus is.

They could have started the move to pure IP back when it was clear that linear broadcast was going away and it was all going to be ondemand.

They could have reliably powered the network so it was viable as a reliable internet connection instead of going out because something 2 suburbs over lost power and took all evening to come back again.

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