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#2960628 28-Aug-2022 23:51

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@MaxineN Once 3G is turned off and power can be turned up on 4G you will find these locations no longer exist

They will stop handovers from 4G to 2G as well

Edit: actually I do not think HO would of worked from 4G to 2G anyway the call would just drop, It would need to go 4G to 3G to 2G

When I was in the USA roaming on T-Mobile with lack of VoLTE roaming when I made or received a call my handset quite happily dropped from 4G to 2G no problem

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#2960631 29-Aug-2022 06:14

@nztim yes but this was not during a call this was when receiving or making a call

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#2960637 29-Aug-2022 07:39

Linux: @nztim yes but this was not during a call this was when receiving or making a call

If he received or made a call I'd imagine he actually did have a conversation over the phone...

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#2960638 29-Aug-2022 07:49

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Linux: @nztim yes but this was not during a call this was when receiving or making a call

If he received or made a call I'd imagine he actually did have a conversation over the phone...

I spoke about hand overs during a call very different to a call setup

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#2960663 29-Aug-2022 09:19

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How could UFB be more regulated?

Chorus, with the lions share of the government issued monopoly, still harbours much of the "customers are rubes to be exploited" mentality from the old Telecom days. Some of the LFC's parents are non profit community trusts, but operate their LFC's at arms lengths as money making ventures. The profit margins on LFC's should be regulated down to a level barely over cash bonds, or alternatively all the LFC's should be replaced with such trusts that exist merely to benefit the communities they service. I fundamentally believe that making profit via a monopoly on critical infrastructure is morally and ethically wrong and the government is obligated to regulate it out of existence.

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#2960665 29-Aug-2022 09:25

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I fundamentally believe that making profit via a monopoly on critical infrastructure is morally and ethically wrong and the government is obligated to regulate it out of existence.

Isn't that the governments job? However, if the government agreed they wouldn't have sold telecommunications and power companies decades ago.

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#2960776 29-Aug-2022 14:16

Linux: Fantastic news now I hope 2degrees do the same thing

2dm kind of already has. 2dm have re-framed a large chunk of 900MHz to LTE in my area (West Auckland), so they have already (mostly) done what V.fone say their goal is. (maybe V.fone has but it has gotten lost in translation through the PR poeple?)

I suspect this situation is simpler for 2dm and Spark because they're not encumbered by 2G where V.fone still supports it out to 2025.

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#2960781 29-Aug-2022 14:28

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Linux: Fantastic news now I hope 2degrees do the same thing

2dm kind of already has. 2dm have re-framed a large chunk of 900MHz to LTE in my area (West Auckland), so they have already (mostly) done what V.fone say their goal is. (maybe V.fone has but it has gotten lost in translation through the PR poeple?)

I suspect this situation is simpler for 2dm and Spark because they're not encumbered by 2G where V.fone still supports it out to 2025.

@tripper1000 3G / WCDMA is still live and Voice calls / Data calls still hand down to the 3G network from time to time, I would like to see it 100% turned off

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#2961272 30-Aug-2022 18:39

Good luck to Vodafone. NZ's geography is not cell-friendly. Have to say though, good on them for getting wifi calling working before now and hopefully e-sim soon into the future. Invercargill has decent 5G coverage, but will be interesting to see investment decisions in other towns and cities, big and small. Won't be too far away until tourist numbers are back to normal with extra revenue through roaming - and the asset sales helped the balance sheet!

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#2961313 30-Aug-2022 21:01

I saw an eftpos machine at the hospital running on Vodafone 3G. Guess they're going to have to replace that in 2 years...

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#2961317 30-Aug-2022 21:11

Chances are that EFTPOS will work fine over GSM/GPRS... just a little slower perhaps.

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#2961436 31-Aug-2022 09:21

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Chances are that EFTPOS will work fine over GSM/GPRS... just a little slower perhaps.

Probably no noticeable difference. Typical EFTPOS transactions are only a thousand or so bytes max each way.

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#2961444 31-Aug-2022 09:40

Indeed - I was thinking more of increased latency of GPRS vs WCDMA causing a slight delay.

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#2961680 31-Aug-2022 17:37

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Some might benefit, but others lose out. Almost invariably the losers are those who can least afford to upgrade their equipment (the poor), or handle changing technology (the elderly) or those in remoter locations. That's without even considering the number of businesses that might have equipment that rely on the technology, often very large expensive pieces of kit.. That's why this sort of thing needs to be regulated by the government, so ideally people know "Okay this technology is going to be supported for 5 years, 10 years, 15 years, 50 years or whatever", with a controlled phaseout etc. Landlines were regulated, UFB is regulated (albeit not heavily enough), but mobile is a very very long way from being sufficiently regulated.

I understand the sentiment, but expecting network operators to provide support for 10-20 year old mobile phones that are out of support from the phone maker, might be a bit like me expecting Apple and peripheral manufacturers to support my old Macbook and it's Firewire 800 interface. The government could pass a law, but do people really benefit from the allocation of spectrum for the support of vintage phones?

How many million of dollars of network infrastructure would be needed per 1000 people that don't want to upgrade, or can't afford to upgrade and wouldn't it be better for the government and industry to a) just give poor people new phones and b) and start funding coverage improvements?

Isn't the later happening already with RCG, who apparently get funding from the government's Rural Broadband Initiative?

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#2961884 1-Sep-2022 12:37

Framing the problem as expecting Telco's to support 20 year old equipment for Luddites is an oversimplification.

VoLTE exclusivity will increase the barriers to entry, increasing the total cost of ownership for the customer and increasing the amount of e-waste and consumption etc.

Once you step onto the "smart phone" freight-train, you are flung into a ecosystem where your are forced to/can easily be spending $100's more annually on hardware than the subscription service.

A $50 button phone from the Warehouse, with a lifespan of 5 years, won't be good enough anymore. You are going to need a VoLTE palm phone just to make a phone call. A budget palm phone with VoLTE will be lucky to have a lifespan of 2 years max (6 months tops if you put things in your pockets) and cost 4 - 6 times more than the button phone. Budget palm phones are not as enduring as a button phone or a flag-ship palm phone. They quickly become un-usable through breakage or through updates that overload its (lack-of) memory, or through lack of updates.

Palm phones are the perfect choice for the status symbol conscious, materialistic consumer.

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