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Topic # 12530 22-Mar-2007 08:12
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See Sue Allen's story here.

Looks like the GSM/UMTS network is pretty much confirmed then, but it's quite cheeky of Telecom to apply for space at Vodafone.




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Reply # 64614 22-Mar-2007 08:18
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Not cheeky at all... It's their right according to the rules of the sector...

Cheeky will be to see if Vodafone plays the same delay tactics Telecom New Zealand played with unbundling, network access, etc...





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  Reply # 64623 22-Mar-2007 08:50
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I loved the Vodafone response!

You'd find it highly unlikely that Vodafone would (or could) refuse a deal but there is certainly a lot of irony in Telecom having to buy capacity on Vodafone's network after all the years of battling! :-)

If you look in the real world however telcos working together to roll out networks does seem to work well when they can get over inflated egos and actually work together. The WCDMA rollouts in Australia are proof of this - it would be good to see if this could result in Vodafone and Telecom working closer together rather than trying to directly duplicate resources in such a small country.


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  Reply # 64624 22-Mar-2007 08:51

Vodafone general manager of commercial development Tom Chignell said the original act was designed to help new entrants, not incumbents.


Looks like Telecom is in for trouble...



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Reply # 64631 22-Mar-2007 09:45
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There's no incumbents when both have 50/50 split in the market. Just someone trying to be smart now...


Always said this, remember, Vodafone is not a small company. They are the largest mobile operator in the world...









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  Reply # 64635 22-Mar-2007 10:11
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Actually, that is a point... who remembers the history here? Was Telecom first out the blocks with the mobile network, or was it BellSouth?




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  Reply # 64637 22-Mar-2007 10:13
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juha: Actually, that is a point... who remembers the history here? Was Telecom first out the blocks with the mobile network, or was it BellSouth?

Telecom started their TDMA 025 network in 1987 if I remember correctly.

WAY before BellSouth in 1991 or 1992 I think it was???

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  Reply # 64640 22-Mar-2007 10:20
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December 92 the GSM network was turned on by BellSouth



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  Reply # 64641 22-Mar-2007 10:23
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and isn't Tom Chignell a 'Mr Smartie Pants'.

"(Telecom) have their own network and if they have made poor choices of technology in the past they shouldn't rely on regulation to save them."

I would also like to point out that applying for co-lo does not necessarily mean UMTS. There obviously are savings to be made with resource consent, etc if you co-lo. For all we know TNZ might be wanting to fill in some coverage holes that could be left when 025 closes down... Just a thought.




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  Reply # 64642 22-Mar-2007 10:26
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Yeah, could be... kind of makes sense what Sbiddle says, that the operators would be better off cooperating on this.




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  Reply # 64657 22-Mar-2007 11:36
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Can't see why it's a big deal to Vodafone as both companies have equipment on the other cell sites in places. As for roaming well VF would be able to charge TNZ their huge roaming rates. It would be a win for VF.

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Reply # 64662 22-Mar-2007 11:57
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bradstewart: Can't see why it's a big deal to Vodafone as both companies have equipment on the other cell sites in places. As for roaming well VF would be able to charge TNZ their huge roaming rates. It would be a win for VF.


But roaming rates in this situation are subject to regulation, aren't they?

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  Reply # 64663 22-Mar-2007 12:00

I just hope they let me sit in on the commercial negotiations!

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  Reply # 64668 22-Mar-2007 12:13
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bradstewart: Can't see why it's a big deal to Vodafone as both companies have equipment on the other cell sites in places. As for roaming well VF would be able to charge TNZ their huge roaming rates. It would be a win for VF.

But roaming rates in this situation are subject to regulation, aren't they?

Ah yes thats true, but I'm sure it wouldn't at a loss, VF will still profit from it.

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Reply # 64674 22-Mar-2007 12:32
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I personally would like to see Telecom break that Voda inbound roaming monopoly. It must be a huge cash cow with the increase in tourist numbers.

How about an IRU - Inbound Roaming Unbundling policy? I might talk to Ernie....

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  Reply # 64692 22-Mar-2007 14:25
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Teresa Gatting was never fully blamed for the troubles of AAPT as it was brought before she was in charge. Prehaps the new CEO will have some lattitude on the CDMA decsion if they decide to ditch it or go hybrid.

I like a good coincident so try this one...

Cost to build a new GSM net work, about 1 billion dollars.

guesstimated sale price of yellow pages, about 1 billion dollars...

makes you think...






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