Trademe WiFi and McDonalds free wifi - can't get mail via POP

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#87646 3-Aug-2011 13:25

Not sure if it's a machine configuration but I have noticed on my Nexus One, I cam not able to get mail to my client using either Trademe WiFi or the McDonads free WiFi. I wonder if their routers have port 110 blocked for some reason?

Out of interest I was also in range of Cafenet so switched to that and mail came in fine.

This seems like a strange port to be blocking if indeed that is the case. I can imagine all the rugby world cup people arriving with their smartphones and finding they are unable to get mail on them using the native client.

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#501313 3-Aug-2011 13:27

I know on TCL you can't get POP mail unless you are on their interwebs....

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#501315 3-Aug-2011 13:28

blakamin: I know on TCL you can't get POP mail unless you are on their interwebs....

You sure of this?

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#501321 3-Aug-2011 13:31

johnr:
blakamin: I know on TCL you can't get POP mail unless you are on their interwebs....

You sure of this?

Wrong!

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#501323 3-Aug-2011 13:32

nakedmolerat:
johnr:
blakamin: I know on TCL you can't get POP mail unless you are on their interwebs....

You sure of this?

Wrong!

Which post?

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#501326 3-Aug-2011 13:35

Oh ok, I stand corrected... sorry!

EDIT: or what MF says below

I knew it was something like that..

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#501327 3-Aug-2011 13:36

On TelstraClear you can only access POP from their own network, and need an extra service (paid) in your account to activate secure access to POP from other networks.

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#501336 3-Aug-2011 13:44

I am a hotspot provider also and since the new law about P2P (Peer to Peer) is about start on the 1st Sept, hotspot providers are starting to block ports that stop this happening. (People downloading copywrite music and movies etc)

Unfortunately this effects Pop and Smtp programs from working on some hotspot setups.
I use McDonalds all the time and its well known that Outlook and Skype do not work. I also read up on the TradeMe setup also and they block P2P so this will be a side affect also.

I have mucked around with it heaps and have a better way I believe. If anyone is trying to upload/download via a P2P they get NO internet access at all (The Law), if and when they are not doing this, everything works, outlook skype etc, so basically you are not effected if not doing anything wrong.

I am also a believer that these setups, McDonalds and TradeMe hotspots block the most common tools people who visit them use, Email Clients like Outlook and Skype.

Most other hotspots disallow sending emails via SMTP, but that is another topic..

Hope that cleared up things.

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#501346 3-Aug-2011 13:54

Cafenet obviously do not have anything setup to block P2P.
Zenbu dont either and I believe Tomizone do not either. Some discussions are about that WISP's like myself will be exempt.
The law is still very confusing and has had many discussions.

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#501350 3-Aug-2011 14:02

A couple of points. I don't use TCL mail so I am not trying to access their mail via POP. I have my own domain.

As for blocking POP and SMTP because of the fear of P2P traffic, I didn't know people put P2P traffic through 110. I supposed (though haven't checked) you could put P2P traffic through Port 80 and that can't be blocked.

It's going to be frustrating for visitors not to be able to get mail on their phones when they are ostensibly free wifi locations. What impression is that going to create?

I wonder what the Wellington City wifi is going to provide and will it have the same restrictions.

As for Cafenet, I was going to say maybe they don't care because the service is not free and anybody doing P2P over Cafenet has way too much money given how much Cafenet charges for data. So they can use that financial disincentive to dissuade folks from P2P traffic on their network.

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#501354 3-Aug-2011 14:09

How do they block Skype ? Ive seen Skype in action via network sniffing etc and its scary how it finds its way out of suppsoedly secure networks.

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#501355 3-Aug-2011 14:14

I had someone put together the P2P block for me, but through testing with them understood that P2P programs are more intelligent that most applications and will find a way if ports are open...Saying that with the P2P blocker turned on on my hotspot test unit I am able to use outlook... so don't take too much into what I said. I run the hotspots but the technical side is someone else s department, well beyond me.

I know with Zenbu their hotspots are 10c per MB, or $100 per GB and they believe this will not be attractive for down loaders also, so are not bothered.

P2P definitely affects Skype or other VOIP though and that is just as bad to block for tourists/business people.

Most hotspots advise users to use Webmail, its quite common anyway as usually you cannot send emails through outlook anyway...

Sorry if I got the P2P wrong. I am a provider and it still confuses me...
Its going to be a mess when the law kicks in.

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#501357 3-Aug-2011 14:14

Easy, block all ports and route port 80 to squid/proxy and proxy deny for Skype traffic.

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#501358 3-Aug-2011 14:15

MaiTechnoKiwi: [snip] If anyone is trying to upload/download via a P2P they get NO internet access at all (The Law), if and when they are not doing this, everything works, outlook skype etc, so basically you are not effected if not doing anything wrong. [snip]

I know what you're meaning, but you are perpetuating the false impression some people have that P2P is wrong, or illegal.

You've taken the sensible approach of completely blocking someone using a protocol that is commonly used for copyright infringement. There's nothing wrong with this approach, but everyone will be better off of we use accurate descriptions.

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#501359 3-Aug-2011 14:16

Skype and Outlook is definitely blocked on McDonalds hotspots,
For what reason, P2P or not?

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#501363 3-Aug-2011 14:21

Sorry again if I didn't response correctly.
I got flooded with emails about this post and thought id offer my advise and as mentioned I run the hotspot company and have outsourced the technical stuff like this as its way beyond my scope.

I do realize lots of legal sharing is done via P2P, and that has always been an argument.
Unfortunately the law is the law and as you mentioned it is a common place to download illegal stuff and
therefore they see making it wrong will help fix this?

Time will tell..

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