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# 157680 9-Dec-2014 14:19
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I have upgraded to VDSL recently to Orcon Genius and now I need to have my fax machines work as well. I have phoned Orcon and they can't help me, phoned Vodafone and Callplus and they want $100 to install and $40 per a month, which I think is a little high just for a fax line. So I have a phone line already, there is just nothing on the line as my plan has VOIP.

Does anyone know of someone who can provide me a fax line for cheap?.

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  # 1192240 9-Dec-2014 14:27
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2talk .. free 028 fax line.. dont even need to connect it to a fax machine .. it can email you pdf. and can send by email or scan to a fax machine. or use an ata and connect a machine.

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  # 1192242 9-Dec-2014 14:30
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  # 1192366 9-Dec-2014 19:53
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You need a Cisco SPA112 and set it up to do T38 faxing. 2Talk would be the cheapest option as with an 028 number you only pay for the calls you make. Otherwise you can get a local number for $6.90/month + call costs.

Im surprised Orcon don't support it over the Genius service.

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  # 1192369 9-Dec-2014 20:02
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Either use a fax to email service or a standard POTS line.

If the faxes are important use POTS.

Don't put Fax over VoIP - it really isn't reliable especially if faxing is important.




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  # 1192371 9-Dec-2014 20:04
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Vodafone use POTS with VDSL not VOIP so it would be just the VDSL + Homephone. I presume you're on a contract with Orcon so can't change everything over to them?

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  # 1192372 9-Dec-2014 20:05
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I thought fax machines went out with CRT TVs and telegrams - haven't seen one for ten years.
Silly question - why do you need a fax?




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  # 1192374 9-Dec-2014 20:13
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I needed one for a bit to sign something and send back. Stupid lawyer types say that is fine but a scanned pdf might have been photo shopped. I pointed out the stupidity of that and was told that faxes are the only option other than sending paper by courier.

I think they have got out of the 1980s finally.




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  # 1192377 9-Dec-2014 20:22
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richms: I needed one for a bit to sign something and send back. Stupid lawyer types say that is fine but a scanned pdf might have been photo shopped. I pointed out the stupidity of that and was told that faxes are the only option other than sending paper by courier.

I think they have got out of the 1980s finally.


Faxes still have legal status for historical reasons, and emails and PDFs can be faked (as can any printed document, for that matter).
The stupid thing is that faxes are of low print quality, and fax paper deteriorates rapidly with age.

The Law is an (IT) Ass.




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  # 1192445 9-Dec-2014 22:44
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Digital signatures are as legal as pen signatures since 2002. The law is caught up, now the lawyers need to catch up to the times.

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  # 1192460 9-Dec-2014 22:47
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It's not the law firms IME, it's the damn banks, only in the last 6 months have some banks started accepting documents as an email attachment. 

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  # 1195022 10-Dec-2014 16:31
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michaelmurfy:

Don't put Fax over VoIP - it really isn't reliable especially if faxing is important.


With a good provider T.38 fax over VoIP is a 98% reliable solution.





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  # 1197444 14-Dec-2014 21:32
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Decided to get a POTS line put in, thanks for everyone's help.

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