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#948885 10-Dec-2013 18:23

I really hope they don't, those who cannot use the Windows 8 UI either are incapable of change or wish to be ignorant to change.
I enjoy the new UI, it makes things easier. In fact some things are easier to do on Windows 8, but the only thing that springs to mind that's more difficult is pairing a bluetooth device because it requires an extra step.

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#948886 10-Dec-2013 18:25

Behodar: This might be enough to make us consider "8.2" at work. We're currently sticking with 7 and I'm sure that many others are doing the same.

I often see quite a different response when users outside the IT department get their hands on Windows 8.1 :)

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#948934 10-Dec-2013 20:23

charsleysa: In fact some things are easier to do on Windows 8, but the only thing that springs to mind that's more difficult is pairing a bluetooth device because it requires an extra step.

I just paired the ASUS Bluetooth keyboard and a Logitech BT Mouse to my ASUS tablet and had no problems doing that. No extra step.

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#948937 10-Dec-2013 20:33

freitasm:
charsleysa: In fact some things are easier to do on Windows 8, but the only thing that springs to mind that's more difficult is pairing a bluetooth device because it requires an extra step.

I just paired the ASUS Bluetooth keyboard and a Logitech BT Mouse to my ASUS tablet and had no problems doing that. No extra step.

So you didn't have to go into PC settings and add a device?
Maybe I'm just doing it wrong then.

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#948944 10-Dec-2013 20:44

Of course I did. But that's no more difficult than double-clicking the Bluetooth icon in the taskbar and going through the add devices (or clicking Start Menu | Device in Windows 7).

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#948946 10-Dec-2013 20:50

freitasm: Of course I did. But that's no more difficult than double-clicking the Bluetooth icon in the taskbar and going through the add devices (or clicking Start Menu | Device in Windows 7).

Which really just reiterates my point that there is no less productivity with windows 8.

Is there a learning curve? Yes. Does windows 8 make you less productive? Only for morons.

I've talked to / helped many people, and those who are willing to actually learn how to use Windows 8 are enjoying it and being just as productive if not more productive with it. Those who refuse to try and learn windows 8 stay miserable and complain that Windows 8 should look like and behave like Windows 7 :-/

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#949003 10-Dec-2013 22:06

charsleysa:
freitasm: Of course I did. But that's no more difficult than double-clicking the Bluetooth icon in the taskbar and going through the add devices (or clicking Start Menu | Device in Windows 7).

Which really just reiterates my point that there is no less productivity with windows 8.

Is there a learning curve? Yes. Does windows 8 make you less productive? Only for morons.

I've talked to / helped many people, and those who are willing to actually learn how to use Windows 8 are enjoying it and being just as productive if not more productive with it. Those who refuse to try and learn windows 8 stay miserable and complain that Windows 8 should look like and behave like Windows 7 :-/

unfortunately according to you 90% (maybe 80%) of the world are morons ... how many relatives have you got?

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#949010 10-Dec-2013 22:24

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freitasm: Of course I did. But that's no more difficult than double-clicking the Bluetooth icon in the taskbar and going through the add devices (or clicking Start Menu | Device in Windows 7).

Which really just reiterates my point that there is no less productivity with windows 8.

Is there a learning curve? Yes. Does windows 8 make you less productive? Only for morons.

I've talked to / helped many people, and those who are willing to actually learn how to use Windows 8 are enjoying it and being just as productive if not more productive with it. Those who refuse to try and learn windows 8 stay miserable and complain that Windows 8 should look like and behave like Windows 7 :-/

unfortunately according to you 90% (maybe 80%) of the world are morons ... how many relatives have you got?

Well if you're stating that 90% of people that use Windows 8 don't bother trying to learn how to use it, then yes they are morons.
Though I highly doubt that figure is anywhere near correct and if you could please provide some viable evidence to back your claim that 90% of people using windows 8 don't bother learning how to use it.

Now, I've made the assumption that you meant 90% of people who use Windows 8 because if you meant 90% of people in the world then you have very little understanding of distribution of wealth and access to technology in this world.

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#949020 10-Dec-2013 22:38

Back on topic please. That's enough.

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#949053 10-Dec-2013 23:37

charsleysa: I really hope they don't, those who cannot use the Windows 8 UI either are incapable of change or wish to be ignorant to change.
I enjoy the new UI, it makes things easier. In fact some things are easier to do on Windows 8, but the only thing that springs to mind that's more difficult is pairing a bluetooth device because it requires an extra step.

ha ha so people who disagree with you are ignorant.

Nice one.

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#949059 11-Dec-2013 00:04

nathan:
Behodar: This might be enough to make us consider "8.2" at work. We're currently sticking with 7 and I'm sure that many others are doing the same.

I often see quite a different response when users outside the IT department get their hands on Windows 8.1 :)

Really?

I find non technical users far more resistant to change and get far more frustrated with changes than the average geek who actually likes playing with new things.

Windows 8 moved the cheese.

The majority of office work is done on a desktop with a mouse/keyboard and multiple monitors, the modern ui is clearly designed to tablets/touchscreens and gets in the way.

There are actually heaps of great improvements to the desktop in Win 8 but you had to get through the "modern" UI to use it. Things improved a little in 8.1 and hopefully they continue to make improvements in 8.x for desktop usage.

Personally instead of the Jekyll and Hide of having two UI's intermingled there should be a global switch between desktop and tablet mode.

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#949062 11-Dec-2013 00:28

I know what i want in 8.2

Even better scaling to allow a OS driven and applied so that programs that have microscopic words become legible. But i suppose this will be too tough.

Howabout not across all 3rd party programs, but at least make all of windows scale, like remote desktop to work on my 3200x1800 15" screen and i need a magnifying glass

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#949077 11-Dec-2013 04:58

charsleysa: I really hope they don't, those who cannot use the Windows 8 UI either are incapable of change or wish to be ignorant to change.
I enjoy the new UI, it makes things easier. In fact some things are easier to do on Windows 8, but the only thing that springs to mind that's more difficult is pairing a bluetooth device because it requires an extra step.

How about don't fix what isn't broken? The previous interface has worked fine from 95 onward to NT, 98, ME, 2000, Vista and 7 and millions of people are accustomed to this workflow.

The best solution to this problem is to allow the user to choose - and this has not been allowed - instead people have been forced, and now Microsoft are crawling back on their decisions..
What you find easier may not be easier for another person. It would be much nicer if the OS was a bit more customisable with the ability to pick different themes (i.e. Aero Glass vs. Metro). Switch start menu on or off, switch metro launcher on or off, change sizes / colours of menu's and so forth and allow people to create "UI" presets that can be distributed across corporate networks to keep the business happy. If they had done that the resistance would not have been as strong.

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#949083 11-Dec-2013 07:26

And yes another thing i'd like to see in 8.2 ... Super aero glass with background video!

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#949086 11-Dec-2013 07:35

freitasm: Of course I did. But that's no more difficult than double-clicking the Bluetooth icon in the taskbar and going through the add devices (or clicking Start Menu | Device in Windows 7).

Try tethering to a BT phone for a day. See how many times you have to re-connect during the day (if you put your machine on standby while not in use). I don't see why all of the network types could be just under one menu and show up with a little indicator next (BT/WiFI/Fixed etc).

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