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#2735000 26-Jun-2021 13:22

Beccara: . The requirement for TPM is more likely to be from a demand for built-in ransomware protection which starts with a secure enclave. Lets just hope it doesn't end up like the bitlocker FDE issues with "hardware" encryption and keys with all 0's

Or software key verification for selling it as a service (Office dies when your tpm stops responding...)

At initial release it may also be required NOW to target new machines that corps are most likely to use as part of a 3yr lifecycle to get the majority of target testing

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#2735016 26-Jun-2021 14:06

can run android apps. i'm in.

is windows 10 eligible to upgrade?

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#2735020 26-Jun-2021 14:18

Is Windows 11 the beginning of the end for Skype?

It appears Microsoft Windows 11 is sounding the death knell of Skype or at least starting the long death march.

So MS Teams vs Zoom. Our family is 50/50 MS - Apple. We don't conference call and several of the oldies are not Facebook, snapchat or Whats App etc. They all prefer what they already know - Skype.

Will be interesting.

Whilst the difficult we can do immediately, the impossible takes a bit longer. However, miracles you will have to wait for.

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#2735022 26-Jun-2021 14:19

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mattwnz:

So much for windows 10 being the last version. Also seems to be a bit like going back in time, with Aero type of glass effect and widgets. Is there a cost to upgrade an windows 10 machine? I have seen conflicting info on this. Is this going to be another ME / Vista / Win 8 version, as every alternate version of windows seems to be a bad version? eg (Win XP, 7, and 10 are considered to be good versions)

Third paragraph of my OP: "Windows 11 will be available on new PCs and through a free upgrade for eligible Windows 10 PCs beginning this holiday."

Yes I saw that , but what is a eligible PC? Is that a new PC, but has upgrade rights. Previous versions of windows such as XP, if you purchased a new PC with windows XP after a new version was announced such as Vista, they often qualified for he upgrade as they contained a coupon, but existing PCs didn't, and they had to pay an upgrade price.

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#2735023 26-Jun-2021 14:21

FineWine:

Is Windows 11 the beginning of the end for Skype?

It appears Microsoft Windows 11 is sounding the death knell of Skype or at least starting the long death march.

So MS Teams vs Zoom. Our family is 50/50 MS - Apple. We don't conference call and several of the oldies are not Facebook, snapchat or Whats App etc. They all prefer what they already know - Skype.

Will be interesting.

Teams sounds like a work app. Skype is now a verb and everyone knows what it is. Sometimes the decisions MS make are very odd.

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#2735026 26-Jun-2021 14:22

Eligible PCs are "Windows 10 PCs that are running the most current version of Windows 10 and meet the minimum hardware specifications".

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#2735028 26-Jun-2021 14:23

mattwnz:

FineWine:

Is Windows 11 the beginning of the end for Skype?

It appears Microsoft Windows 11 is sounding the death knell of Skype or at least starting the long death march.

So MS Teams vs Zoom. Our family is 50/50 MS - Apple. We don't conference call and several of the oldies are not Facebook, snapchat or Whats App etc. They all prefer what they already know - Skype.

Will be interesting.

Teams sounds like a work app. Skype is now a verb and everyone knows what it is. Sometimes the decisions MS make are very odd.

So is Zoom now

Whilst the difficult we can do immediately, the impossible takes a bit longer. However, miracles you will have to wait for.

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#2735029 26-Jun-2021 14:25

FineWine:

So MS Teams vs Zoom. Our family is 50/50 MS - Apple. We don't conference call and several of the oldies are not Facebook, snapchat or Whats App etc. They all prefer what they already know - Skype.

Wouldn't be the worst thing to try and get the oldies onto Whatsapp. Not always easy but I know an 85 year old (my wife's godfather) who keeps in touch with his family and friends via Whatsapp.

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#2735034 26-Jun-2021 14:33

mattwnz:

Teams sounds like a work app.

It was. It's not just that now. Microsoft Teams now brings family and friends together to call, chat, and make plans | Microsoft 365 Blog

Nothing going to stop people getting Skype from the app store, or Zoom, or sending smoke signals. This is just another option, but one that's got some good integration with the OS.

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#2735035 26-Jun-2021 14:35

Behodar:

Eligible PCs are "Windows 10 PCs that are running the most current version of Windows 10 and meet the minimum hardware specifications".

Apparently not, since mine meets all minimums (beyond minimum in most cases) and has been removed from the beta channel.

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#2735044 26-Jun-2021 14:47

gehenna:

mattwnz:

Teams sounds like a work app.

It was. It's not just that now. Microsoft Teams now brings family and friends together to call, chat, and make plans | Microsoft 365 Blog

Nothing going to stop people getting Skype from the app store, or Zoom, or sending smoke signals. This is just another option, but one that's got some good integration with the OS.

I wonder if they will allow porting over from Skype to Teams ?

Mind you FaceTime is coming to Android and Windows via the web and apparently there is a Google Chrome extension to enable Apple FaceTime on Windows 10 as well.

Whilst the difficult we can do immediately, the impossible takes a bit longer. However, miracles you will have to wait for.

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#2735086 26-Jun-2021 16:06

Behodar:

Eligible PCs are "Windows 10 PCs that are running the most current version of Windows 10 and meet the minimum hardware specifications".

Ok, thanks.

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#2735099 26-Jun-2021 16:59

Gordy7:

My Intel NUCs do not have a TPM.... so I guess I won't be able to upgrade to Win 11 from Win 10 Pro.

I have even checked the specs of more recent NUCs.... no TPM.

I haven't checked if a TPM can be installed in a NUC.

I got to thinking... the lack of TPM in my NUCs can't be right.... even though I had checked my NUC specs on the Intel web site. (TPM=No)

So did a search in Windows for Bitlocker and TPM Administration and sure enough TPM Spec 2.0 found.

Shows in the BIOS Security Features as Intel Platform Trust Technology with a tick.

So you can't always trust Intel documentation.

After runing Win 11 PC Health Check: This PC can run Win 11.

NUCs are:

Intel NUC NUC8I7BE

Intel NUC 10 NUC10I3FNH

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#2735179 26-Jun-2021 20:30

kiwiace:

My PC is a mere 9 years old :->

It gets failed on secure boot, and from a bit of googling it doesn't look like its a solvable problem? Might need a new PC in a few years then, hopefully the supply chains are cleared by then...

BIOS Mode Legacy

BaseBoard Manufacturer Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.
BaseBoard Product Z77-D3H

Secure Boot State Unsupported
Virtualization-based security Not enabled
Device Encryption Support Reasons for failed automatic device encryption: TPM is not usable, PCR7 binding is not supported, Hardware Security Test Interface failed and device is not Modern Standby, Un-allowed DMA capable bus/device(s) detected, Disabled by policy, TPM is not usable

I have the exact same board. You can get a TPM module for it but it will not help as the processor is far too old. I have a 3770 on the board but Windows 11 seems to require a processor that is no more than about 4 years old. I might just have to upgrade the machine at some stage :/

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#2735186 26-Jun-2021 21:21

Here’s a thought that came from my discussions within my group today and were thinking that both TPM and the strict cpu requirements is because of spectre and meltdown vulnerabilities.

Had us wondering if this is Microsoft’s play to not support vulnerable hardware.

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