Argh! Bloody Windows10 update just cost me another morning!

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#225504 22-Nov-2017 10:53

I thought I had disabled Win10 updates. I find them to be worse than viruses and have been pestered about taking an update on a daily basis. I keep saying "no" only because there is no "hell no, over my dead body" button.

Come back from coffee this morning and it's rebooted without my permission and loading an update.

Sure enough, it won't reboot properly with errors and can't load explorer.exe.

Command prompt to system restore and it says no restore points. Reboot into 'safe' mode and I managed to get it to restore previous (yesterday's) version.

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#1905679 22-Nov-2017 11:20

If you find a few posts about W10 updates from Nathan(MS) I think you'll find you can't delay them forever. Especially pre 1703

The status changes from recommended/Suggested/Imperative depending on update type after a 180? day period in which case its forced upon you. Some are as low as delay for 35/180/365 days

There is a catch however.. if you let the updates happen to Creators, they then grant the ability to stop it in future :)

https://www.cnet.com/news/microsoft-forced-windows-update-auto-restart-snooze-indefinitely-windows-10/

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#1905684 22-Nov-2017 11:32

Oh, so if I read this correctly: I can't stop it from prompting but if I press snooze it won't auto update?

But ... I need to accept a 'Creators Update' to get to that point? It may be that the Creators Update will stuff my PC again though...

And as I just reverted to a restore point this bloody thing is inevitably going to reboot my PC and stuff it with the same update again?

Not too happy with MS right now.

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#1905688 22-Nov-2017 11:46

Maybe switch to Linux or Apple or....? Not trying to be facetious or anything, but you really need to accept updates if you're going to stick with Microsoft, and while they're not perfect by any means I don't think opting out of updates is the answer... especially from a security standpoint.

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#1905691 22-Nov-2017 11:50

sidefx:

Maybe switch to Linux or Apple or....? Not trying to be facetious or anything, but you really need to accept updates if you're going to stick with Microsoft, and while they're not perfect by any means I don't think opting out of updates is the answer... especially from a security standpoint.

Yes I wouldn't mind switching, but I think I'm tied into MS as I use various VPNs and 2FAs etc to access customer sites and not sure they are all supported on other platforms.

I'm in a bit of a bind. If I don't update then I'm exposed to known security vulnerabilities, but when I get the forced update my VAIO won't boot.

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#1905695 22-Nov-2017 11:56

I feel your pain. Windows 10 put my desktop [HP IQ816 - 10 years old!] into a state where it became unusable, experiencing random frequent system freezes. Sometimes I could go an hour with none, sometimes I'd have 4 in that space of time. I stopped using the desktop altogether but lately upgraded to the Fall Creators Update via USB and the system freezing problem appears to have been cured.

In the interests of full disclosure, my original Windows 10 install on the desktop was an upgrade over an existing Windows 7 system with a lot of apps installed. My second and third Windows 10 installs (on the same machine) were upgrades over "clean" Windows 7 installs but the problem persisted. The Fall Creators Update was done as a clean install as opposed to an upgrade, so maybe there's something in that.

Long story short; while I understand your trepidation, the [Fall] Creators Update may actually fix the problems you're experiencing.

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#1905724 22-Nov-2017 12:09

Which build added the active hours options? I've got mine set from 9am to 9pm. It says "we wont automatically restart it during active hours.." which could prevent it from occurring during the workday.

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#1905766 22-Nov-2017 13:24

We've just lost close to a dozen of HyperV VM snapshots on our test rig due to update to creators update (?) this weekend.
And nope, rolling back didn't fix it. Neither re-importing.

Long sigh....

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#1905797 22-Nov-2017 14:20

If you use Windows 10, you need to accept that it's basically now an OS as a service offering that WILL constantly update with the only real exceptions to this reserved for those with enterprise licensing.

Personally I don't think MS take it far enough, I believe they need to prevent Windows PC's that are not currently patched from having connectivity to anything other than the windows update servers, and bricking them at the end of support date.

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#1905811 22-Nov-2017 15:12

What gets me is how does Microsoft know that you have just turned your computer on to print the movie tickets or some other thing, when you are on the run, and you didn’t hibernate and it’s got to complete the updates on startup?

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#1905815 22-Nov-2017 15:34

Lastman: What gets me is how does Microsoft know that you have just turned your computer on to print the movie tickets or some other thing, when you are on the run, and you didn’t hibernate and it’s got to complete the updates on startup?

This I think is a very fair point - I've had a couple of instances when Windows 10 decided to update which were less than opportune - though most of the time it seems fine with delaying updates when I tell it to, just not indefinitely.

They (Microsoft) do need to make sure they're updating at good times and not breaking things with updates. But at the same time they can't fix what they don't know about - so I hope everyone uses the feedback app to report things that annoy them. Of course it doesn't help when the feedback app is broken... but I hope people report that too :p

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#1905821 22-Nov-2017 15:42

I knew there was a reason I was still using windows 7 as my main machine.

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#1905822 22-Nov-2017 15:45

mattwnz:

I knew there was a reason I was still using windows 7 as my main machine.

W7 exits extended support Jan 14 2020, so you've got just over 2 years to decide if you can live with the new MS model, or if you instead wish to move to Mac or Linux.

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#1905824 22-Nov-2017 15:56

Lias:

Personally I don't think MS take it far enough, I believe they need to prevent Windows PC's that are not currently patched from having connectivity to anything other than the windows update servers, and bricking them at the end of support date.

lets follow your advice, and brick 90% of android phones for exactly the same reason (actually may finally get some movement on that issue)
Brick XP & Vista PC's that are still used & have so many hospitals , business etc grind to a halt
Brick all the modem/routers that never will get patched & dont have patches for all known issues (I guess thats most of them )

If you want Win10 updates to stop, disable the update service. Turn it on again when convenient for you to get the updates
Although Im not 100% sure that Win10 wont just turn that service back on , regardless .

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#1905828 22-Nov-2017 16:02

sidefx: I've had a couple of instances when Windows 10 decided to update which were less than opportune

We had one of our servers at work decide to reboot for updates during business hours. It prompted an investigation into how it happened, given that they're all set to only install updates at night.

It turns out that updates won't get installed if you're logged into the server. Someone had left their remote desktop session active for weeks on end. Then they logged in to tweak something and logged out afterwards - and Windows saw this as licence to ignore the update schedule and just install the update then and there.

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#1905851 22-Nov-2017 16:03

Lias:

mattwnz:

I knew there was a reason I was still using windows 7 as my main machine.

W7 exits extended support Jan 14 2020, so you've got just over 2 years to decide if you can live with the new MS model, or if you instead wish to move to Mac or Linux.

That is almost the life of a PC though. I do have a free windows 10 upgrade license for this PC, and have it set to dual boot. But the software incompatibilities aren't good with win 10, and I have some older software that needs windows XP compatibility still. I will have to use a dedicated machine for XP stuff I suspect after 2020. The way windows 10 forces updates and boots when it wants is a turn off though, and then sometimes the updates can be very buggy, annoys me.

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