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#1671195 15-Nov-2016 10:57

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In ChCh they put a lot of hardfill into the Lyttelton port to extend the land, maybe in Kaikoura they can do something similar to add something on the waterfront to benefit the tourist industry. The pic/video of the three stuck cattle show the immense upheaval. Apparently, 100,000 landslides.

I've seen 100,000 mentioned a few times, I can't obviously verify, but that seems a LOT. Is it likely accurate? I am no expert but I have my doubts.

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#1671200 15-Nov-2016 11:04

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tdgeek:

In ChCh they put a lot of hardfill into the Lyttelton port to extend the land, maybe in Kaikoura they can do something similar to add something on the waterfront to benefit the tourist industry. The pic/video of the three stuck cattle show the immense upheaval. Apparently, 100,000 landslides.

I've seen 100,000 mentioned a few times, I can't obviously verify, but that seems a LOT. Is it likely accurate? I am no expert but I have my doubts.

I thought that too. The area is huge, south of Waiau the epicentre to top of the SI, and well inland. I guess a slip can be anything from 2 feet wide to a lot bigger, but I assume someone has sampled it and extrapolated it. Did you see the pic of the three cows stranded. man, that's some huge upheaval going on in the background

A better number might have been the square km that has slipped or landslided

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#1671202 15-Nov-2016 11:06

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The Transmission Gully motorway is supposed to be open by 2020. I wonder what level of resistance to natural disasters has been built into its design and construction? It seems to me that the existing coastal SH1 near Pukerua Bay could very well look like the SH1 around the Kaikoura coast (covered in slips) if a quake struck close to it.

Wellington will be cut off by road. You can do work to mitigate hazards from rocks falling, but trying to stop entire steep hillsides from collapsing as photos are showing happened on the Kaikoura coast isn't viable. So you plan based on the expectation it will happen, that you'll have equipment and expertise to be able to restore road access ASAP, and use sea/air until that's possible. The possibility / likelihood of damage to ports and the airport in Wgtn is another complication. Then for the work to restore roads, there's every likelihood there'll be significant aftershock activity, it's very dangerous work which needs to be done quickly - but as safely as possible. In general I think NZ is good at this.

I walked down Evans Pass to Lyttelton in Chch a few weeks ago, I didn't see the warning sign saying $50,000 fine and imprisonment until we got to the other end. There was a convenient hole in the fence, so didn't need to climb over the razor wire. That's been closed now for almost 6 years, yet was the secondary route between Chch and the port, used for transport of oversize and dangerous goods loads which weren't allowed through the tunnel. I'm not sure when it'll be reopened - but still years away, if ever.

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#1671207 15-Nov-2016 11:10

I was in and out of consciousness (dozing)... (Auckland) when I heard the word earthquake. Was watching the news then I quickly went on line to see if anyone had uploaded vids while it was happening. Devastated. Shock. Heart goes out to all those affected. Stay Safe.

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#1671216 15-Nov-2016 11:35

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DarthKermit:

The Transmission Gully motorway is supposed to be open by 2020. I wonder what level of resistance to natural disasters has been built into its design and construction? It seems to me that the existing coastal SH1 near Pukerua Bay could very well look like the SH1 around the Kaikoura coast (covered in slips) if a quake struck close to it.

Wellington will be cut off by road. You can do work to mitigate hazards from rocks falling, but trying to stop entire steep hillsides from collapsing as photos are showing happened on the Kaikoura coast isn't viable. So you plan based on the expectation it will happen, that you'll have equipment and expertise to be able to restore road access ASAP, and use sea/air until that's possible. The possibility / likelihood of damage to ports and the airport in Wgtn is another complication. Then for the work to restore roads, there's every likelihood there'll be significant aftershock activity, it's very dangerous work which needs to be done quickly - but as safely as possible. In general I think NZ is good at this.

I walked down Evans Pass to Lyttelton in Chch a few weeks ago, I didn't see the warning sign saying $50,000 fine and imprisonment until we got to the other end. There was a convenient hole in the fence, so didn't need to climb over the razor wire. That's been closed now for almost 6 years, yet was the secondary route between Chch and the port, used for transport of oversize and dangerous goods loads which weren't allowed through the tunnel. I'm not sure when it'll be reopened - but still years away, if ever.

Don't need an earthquake for that, mother nature is doing it to us now. Wellington is nearly cut off with flooding and slips. Just tried to get through to an elderly relative and even our SUV was no match for nature.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1671237 15-Nov-2016 12:05

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Don't need an earthquake for that, mother nature is doing it to us now. Wellington is nearly cut off with flooding and slips. Just tried to get through to an elderly relative and even our SUV was no match for nature.

Woah - that's not good either.

You mentioned earlier that you need to keep medication refrigerated. Have you considered getting a small three way gas/12v/230v chest fridge? The one I've got uses about 180g of gas a day - so would last almost a couple of months on a single 9kg (typical BBQ size) gas bottle. Useful if there were ever extended power outages.

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#1671240 15-Nov-2016 12:15

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MikeB4:

Don't need an earthquake for that, mother nature is doing it to us now. Wellington is nearly cut off with flooding and slips. Just tried to get through to an elderly relative and even our SUV was no match for nature.

Woah - that's not good either.

You mentioned earlier that you need to keep medication refrigerated. Have you considered getting a small three way gas/12v/230v chest fridge? The one I've got uses about 180g of gas a day - so would last almost a couple of months on a single 9kg (typical BBQ size) gas bottle. Useful if there were ever extended power outages.

That's spooky I was talking with my wife this morning about that.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1671252 15-Nov-2016 12:17

Fred99:

MikeB4:

Don't need an earthquake for that, mother nature is doing it to us now. Wellington is nearly cut off with flooding and slips. Just tried to get through to an elderly relative and even our SUV was no match for nature.

Woah - that's not good either.

You mentioned earlier that you need to keep medication refrigerated. Have you considered getting a small three way gas/12v/230v chest fridge? The one I've got uses about 180g of gas a day - so would last almost a couple of months on a single 9kg (typical BBQ size) gas bottle. Useful if there were ever extended power outages.

I think that highlights how diverse and varied everyone's needs are. Me, we have gas cooking, or at the place we moved from a BBQ. Many can get along quite ok, but some cannot, and Mike's example is a small, but urgent need.

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#1671254 15-Nov-2016 12:30

Being in the country we have more possibilities than city folk. Our old wooden farmhouse would not collapse, but fire is a real hazard. I filled an old freezer in a separate garage with emergency supplies, including tent and air mattress, extra clothing, everything conceivable for an extended outdoor holiday. We have extensive natural water supplies, that might get rearranged by a big quake but unlikely to disappear altogether. Plenty of tinned food, batteries, etc. In the house we cook with gas, which is handy when the power goes out. Emergency radios, torches, etc. No TV or Internet though. Our lives might actually improve if the big one struck. Lots of sheep and other resources if Trump pushes the button, but I might have to revisit my vegetarianism.

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#1671257 15-Nov-2016 12:38

MikeB4:

That's spooky I was talking with my wife this morning about that.

They are extremely good. The one I have is Electrolux, I think Waeco may be another good brand. The one I've got doesn't have thermostat temperature control when operating on gas, the control only works to adjust the size of the gas flame. Turned up half way, it'll start freezing stuff. I'm not sure - perhaps newer models available these days have better temperature control.
Another option is that Waeco make very small 12v compressor fridges with low current draw, which could be run on a solar panel sysetm with 12v deep cycle battery. They are quite expensive - and from friends who use them, about 80w minimum solar panel is needed in good weather in summer to keep charge up to the battery - so that would need to be increased significantly to cover winter sunshine hours. But at least solar panels are reasonably affordable now. Doing that also allows the possibility to charge phones / laptops or run small 230v appliances using an inverter.

I had all kinds of plans for self-sufficiency geekiness after the Chch quakes. And I've done what many do... once it settles down and stops shaking there's a tendency to forget or put things you thought were important on the back burner - the perception of risk reduces even when the real risk is still there.

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#1671276 15-Nov-2016 13:08

Our water has been off for most of the day. Cant get out now due to flooding.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1671278 15-Nov-2016 13:10

I was rather intrigued by the fact that purportedly "terrified" people still found time amidst their terror to get some stuff on Twitter and Facebook.

I'm not really sure anyone who is genuinely terrified would be wasting time on that rather than saving their skin.

Coming soon...."You'll be AMAZED when you see what the internet said about this earthquake!"

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#1671281 15-Nov-2016 13:15

Geektastic:

I was rather intrigued by the fact that purportedly "terrified" people still found time amidst their terror to get some stuff on Twitter and Facebook.

I'm not really sure anyone who is genuinely terrified would be wasting time on that rather than saving their skin.

Coming soon...."You'll be AMAZED when you see what the internet said about this earthquake!"

I talked to my son about that, he feels that these dealing mechanisms are OK. There are no hard and fast rules, if this is what folks need to get through then all good.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1671282 15-Nov-2016 13:15

MikeB4:

Our water has been off for most of the day. Cant get out now due to flooding.

Sorry Mike, that made me chuckle

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#1671283 15-Nov-2016 13:21

MikeB4:

Fred99:

DarthKermit:

The Transmission Gully motorway is supposed to be open by 2020. I wonder what level of resistance to natural disasters has been built into its design and construction? It seems to me that the existing coastal SH1 near Pukerua Bay could very well look like the SH1 around the Kaikoura coast (covered in slips) if a quake struck close to it.

Wellington will be cut off by road. You can do work to mitigate hazards from rocks falling, but trying to stop entire steep hillsides from collapsing as photos are showing happened on the Kaikoura coast isn't viable. So you plan based on the expectation it will happen, that you'll have equipment and expertise to be able to restore road access ASAP, and use sea/air until that's possible. The possibility / likelihood of damage to ports and the airport in Wgtn is another complication. Then for the work to restore roads, there's every likelihood there'll be significant aftershock activity, it's very dangerous work which needs to be done quickly - but as safely as possible. In general I think NZ is good at this.

I walked down Evans Pass to Lyttelton in Chch a few weeks ago, I didn't see the warning sign saying $50,000 fine and imprisonment until we got to the other end. There was a convenient hole in the fence, so didn't need to climb over the razor wire. That's been closed now for almost 6 years, yet was the secondary route between Chch and the port, used for transport of oversize and dangerous goods loads which weren't allowed through the tunnel. I'm not sure when it'll be reopened - but still years away, if ever.

Don't need an earthquake for that, mother nature is doing it to us now. Wellington is nearly cut off with flooding and slips. Just tried to get through to an elderly relative and even our SUV was no match for nature.

How deep is it? Not that I am going over the hill but if the water is still (i.e. not a river moving) I can ford about 1.2 m in my Land Rover with suspension on Max. Could rock crawl some of the displaced carriageways I saw too but the large holes are harder without crossing ladders etc.

Every time this happens, I suggest we get some of these to keep handy.

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