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#3081041 29-May-2023 19:10

@Wombat1 dear God try opening your mind and just attempt to think out of that tight little square you have installed around yourself

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#3081042 29-May-2023 19:11

gzt: I came across that. It doesn't change the reasons I'm asking or the need to know more. You can guarantee some types of crime went down and some went up. In a topic that has become concerned with solutions it is necessary to know more about the problem.

Can you give an example please of a type of crime that went down?

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#3081044 29-May-2023 19:19

MikeB4: @Wombat1 dear God try opening your mind and just attempt to think out of that tight little square you have installed around yourself

Should we have locked down dementia units in NZ?

Answer that one honestly mate. Then we can maybe try further the discussion on why hard core criminals should not be put into confinement.

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#3081047 29-May-2023 19:41

MikeB4: @Wombat1 dear God try opening your mind and just attempt to think out of that tight little square you have installed around yourself

That's twice this thread when you have disagreed with someone you have been patently unpleasant and nasty. You are equally close minded when you feel strongly about things.

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#3081048 29-May-2023 19:45

networkn:

That's twice this thread when you have disagreed with someone you have been patently unpleasant and nasty. You are equally close minded when you feel strongly about things.

Thats rich you do that in every thread you post in.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#3081051 29-May-2023 19:52

Are you going to answer the above question Mike or are you just here to have a petty bun fight?

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#3081056 29-May-2023 20:00

Wombat1:

gzt:
I'm not sure that's true. Retail ram raids are a very visible type of crime that can be easily seen from the road. In other areas of crime I'm aware police statistical collection has improved creating additional visibility in stats. This is acknowledged by police. Imo "crime is at an all time high" is a generality and requires further qualification. I'm inclined to ask for the source of your statement.

Did you try google?

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/NZL/new-zealand/crime-rate-statistics

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/mediawatch/audio/2018860663/hard-stats-and-new-voices-enter-the-youth-crime-spike-coverage

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Last week The New Zealand Herald carried a headline that might have come as a surprise to its regular readers.

'Despite ram-raid rhetoric, youth crime is dropping year on year'.

Slash quote and brackets.

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#3081057 29-May-2023 20:00

Is anyone still talking about 'smash and grabs at MHJ'? Maybe time to calm down and take a breather.

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#3081058 29-May-2023 20:03

MikeB4:

Thats rich you do that in every thread you post in.

I'm sorry you feel that way. Hopefully, you feel better for having gotten that off your chest.

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#3081059 29-May-2023 20:05

Rikkitic:

Is anyone still talking about 'smash and grabs at MHJ'? Maybe time to calm down and take a breather.

It's pretty much run it's usual course in these types of discussions. We aren't decision-makers. Everyone has expressed their opinion and presented their views. I doubt the conversation will become more productive the longer it runs :)

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#3081062 29-May-2023 20:08

Is it a case of choosing your numbers to get the statistics you want?

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/132123637/national-using-ai-for-attack-ads-the-ai-political-campaign-has-arrived

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#3081132 29-May-2023 21:27

@MikeB4 - it sounds like long term, we are fairly aligned on a strategic basis(almost on a 5-10-15+ year view). My concern now is that even if we implemented this today, we've still got a generation that has been left behind.
I'd be keen to explore what a more tactical response would look like (eg. between now and 5 years).

I'd like to think that there is some middle ground between 'Let them go nuts' and 'Give them the chair'. What do you think?

I'll pitch my thoughts:

Police need to be resourced and need to be able to respond to crime as its happening.
We need some form of intensive supervision that involves taking them away from the household during this process.
The use of underaged children to commit criminal acts by adults or organised crime should be prosecuted if it isn't already.
Honestly - I'm coming up short for repeat offenders that doesn't involve imprisonment. I know that might be just kicking the problem doiwn the road.

Again - this is off the cuff and written in a few minutes. Keen to get your thoughts (or anyone elses) in a respectful manner :)

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#3081160 29-May-2023 21:59

@cokemaster I worked too long in frontline social services to the point of burnout. I will try to respond but to borrow a phrase I still don't have much left in the tank.

When folks discuss this I ask that they try to retain humanity and compassion. The world is throwing a lot at individuals, family and community.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#3082678 31-May-2023 10:41

elpenguino:

It saddens me that people in this thread would happily spend $100k per year to lock someone up but they begrudge spending half of that to help people before they end up in that situation.

I was speaking with someone recently who works in the rehabilitation and care sector for offending youth.

They were saying that to take a young person and turn them around costs somewhere in the region of $750k per annum. For one kid.

They also said that not every kid is able to be rehabilitated and for the good of everyone in society, they should be locked away. And this was someone with a vested interest in trying to prevent the incarceration of young offenders.

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#3082684 31-May-2023 11:01

Handsomedan:

elpenguino:

It saddens me that people in this thread would happily spend $100k per year to lock someone up but they begrudge spending half of that to help people before they end up in that situation.

I was speaking with someone recently who works in the rehabilitation and care sector for offending youth.

They were saying that to take a young person and turn them around costs somewhere in the region of $750k per annum. For one kid.

They also said that not every kid is able to be rehabilitated and for the good of everyone in society, they should be locked away. And this was someone with a vested interest in trying to prevent the incarceration of young offenders.

That's an astonishing amount.

I accept some humans are mis-wired and unable to show normal social behaviours.

The confusing thing for the system and those running it though, when the customers are teenagers and still building their portfolios, how can you tell which ones are unsalvageable and which ones can be guided back to the way?

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