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#3204655 8-Mar-2024 22:58

loceff13: I'm all for half hour news personally and let them extend it if theres big stories, we don't need the constant filler on how taylor swift is related to a poet as a 6th cousin for ~10% of the program and that kind of fluff is constantly added to fill time.

It's not filler. News at 6pm has a broad audience and they try to have something for everyone. They could easily fill it with 30 to 60 minutes of hard news and it would not rate as high. It's been years since I watched a full show myself. I do prefer TV3's delivery.

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#3204656 8-Mar-2024 23:05

johno1234: Cut the silly back and forth questions between the anchor and reporter. It’s fake scripted crapola. Just report the facts please and leave options out.

All that style brings a sense of urgency and happening now that captures attention. It makes eyeballs stick. I agree with your sentiment. The reality is it would not rate. Prime might be worth a look. Short bulletin in the traditional 6pm style at 5:30 last time I looked.

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#3204723 9-Mar-2024 07:47

https://thespinoff.co.nz/media/08-03-2024/its-a-great-day-to-be-a-bad-guy-reflecting-on-the-end-of-sunday-and-fair-go >> scammers and rip-off artists, rejoice!

Some of the comments from the far-right crowd about all these closures are horrible - especially from the likes of "Reality Check" "Radio" (using both those terms very loosely).

Although I did see another comment somewhere along the lines of "if that's how you respond to a competitor closing down, it shows how insecure you are about your own product". I'm inclined to agree.

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#3204738 9-Mar-2024 10:54

MikeAqua:

There is only one thing the govt should really do and that is ensure the playing field for media is as level as possible in this country. That probably means making sure that social media don't get to scrape MSM content and ensuring they pay tax.

I understood that websites, including media ones, have a robots.txt file stating what is permissable in terms of scraping, which all of the major platforms honour, and that if they don't want their contents scraped by the likes of Google News then they simply make the appropriate change to that file and the scraping and indexing will stop, ditto to remove themselves from search engines. They also should be able to stop most clicks referred from meta et al. So if they don't like it, it seems they can already stop it themselves without needing the government to do it for them.

I don't get the argument about a level playing field. It seems to be that the news platforms used to subsist on advertising, social madia patforms are more attractive to advertisers so the dollars have gone there, and they have to be made to give back some of the money they have "stolen". That's as silly as saying there should be a levy on car manufacturers because they have stolen the consumer spending that used to go to buggy whip makers, and so they have to share their revenue to keep the buggy whip makers in business. It's not clear to me at all why the likes of Meta should have to pay to keep the likes of Newshub or Stuff afloat?

Te reality is it's an industry in decline. Advertisers don't find them attractive and are deserting them. Customs seem to be deserting them too - the audience numbers are tanking. I don't know anyone who still watches the 6pm news, even two ofmy elderly relatives who used to almost have their TV dials super glued on 1 news have given up on it. And it's not surprising - it's banal, trite, pitched at about an 8 year olds level of comprehension, ad-saturated, annoying and usually stale by the time it airs. There are much better options to get the news I want in a more in depth way, targeted at adults, and more immediate. And without interrupting me to urge me to shop at Briscoes or shout "GO HARVEY GO" at me every seven minutes. I also don't see a good case th throw taxpayer money at this nonsense.

It sucks for those losing their jobs, and being journalists they know how to hand wring and shout loudly. But that doesn't mean they are as special as tey think they are, or any more worthy of government salvation than any other obsolete sunset business.

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#3204743 9-Mar-2024 11:47

JimmyH: I understood that websites, including media ones, have a robots.txt file stating what is permissable in terms of scraping, which all of the major platforms honour,

It ain't that simple.

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#3204765 9-Mar-2024 12:34

loceff13:

Discovery had lost 35M/yr the last 2 years on their local business here and are in the red for well over 100M in NZ according to other reporting. It's lucky they havn't got rid of the lot..

Ultimately this actually is the end game for their new strategy. ThreeNow is set to become a catalogue of foreign content, administered from Los Angeles. WBD have indicated that they will still produce local content with the assistance of 'funding partners', but it's hard to imagine NZ On Air wanting to fund programming that will be delivered via an overseas based (albeit locally branded) streaming platform with a very small remaining audience.

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#3204767 9-Mar-2024 12:40

quickymart:
Some of the comments from the far-right crowd about all these closures are horrible - especially from the likes of "Reality Check" "Radio" (using both those terms very loosely).

Except that those people were the target of the exact same types of celebration when they were deplatforned from other places so it's only fair they respond in the same way.

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#3204768 9-Mar-2024 12:45

alasta:

Ultimately this actually is the end game for their new strategy. ThreeNow is set to become a catalogue of foreign content, administered from Los Angeles. WBD have indicated that they will still produce local content with the assistance of 'funding partners', but it's hard to imagine NZ On Air wanting to fund programming that will be delivered via an overseas based (albeit locally branded) streaming platform with a very small remaining audience.

This is sad to hear, I do often wonder why freeview NZ and freeview Aus don't just join forces and create a single platform for their shared content in both NZ and Aus. NZ channels should just become free to air here in Aus, and Aus Free to air channels should become free in NZ and part of the same channel list. Adverts can be customized like they are already in Aus depending on location.

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#3204787 9-Mar-2024 14:13

I don't think there would be much benefit in that, not to mention the costs to transport content between the two countries 24 hours a day on all channels.

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#3204789 9-Mar-2024 14:14

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This is sad to hear, I do often wonder why freeview NZ and freeview Aus don't just join forces and create a single platform for their shared content in both NZ and Aus. NZ channels should just become free to air here in Aus, and Aus Free to air channels should become free in NZ and part of the same channel list. Adverts can be customized like they are already in Aus depending on location.

I have wondered the same. I do note that SBS has recently started including TV One news at six with their rebroadcasts of other overseas news services.

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#3204790 9-Mar-2024 14:19

quickymart:

I don't think there would be much benefit in that, not to mention the costs to transport content between the two countries 24 hours a day on all channels.

???

Most people these days have computers and many have Chromecast and smart TVs can stream YouTube. Being able to pick up the other country's IPTV and rebroadcast it (if necessary) is hardly a major undertaking. All it takes is opening up the geo-restrictions.

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#3204791 9-Mar-2024 14:20

That's what I was thinking - that and the satellite costs.

Anyway if you want to watch Australian channels go for your life. I probably wouldn't myself.

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#3204792 9-Mar-2024 14:23

I watch ABC and SBS all the time. I would be lost without them. The commercials channels not so much. I rarely bother with those but I could if I wanted to. It is no big feat to make these available in each other's countries.

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#3204821 9-Mar-2024 17:25

richms:
quickymart: Some of the comments from the far-right crowd about all these closures are horrible - especially from the likes of "Reality Check" "Radio" (using both those terms very loosely).
Except that those people were the target of the exact same types of celebration when they were deplatforned from other places so it's only fair they respond in the same way.

With the exception of Peter Williams I don't recall any of the RCR people ever having a platform before RCR to be deplatformed from.

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#3204945 9-Mar-2024 22:39

I'm not sure who else was "cancelled" (apart from Peter Williams) and had to slink off to "Reality Check" "Radio", either. Can you please expand on who you're referring to, richms?

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