Surveillance - if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear

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#1736719 15-Mar-2017 11:23

If you have nothing to hide, I can please have your:

Full name
Mothers maiden name
last password to used to log onto your internet service (just for verification purposes)
contact phone number
Passport number and driver's lic. number.
Address

Now what I am going to do is simulate a $90k loan approval, don't worry, I don't actually action the loan.

This happens all the time, PROTECT your data!

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#1736725 15-Mar-2017 11:35

The various Government services that may use surveillance have small resources and as such they need to narrowly target their activities. The reality is they have no interest in me and the vast majority of the citizens of Aotearoa.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1736731 15-Mar-2017 11:41

MikeB4:

Rikkitic:

It is called civil disobedience - something I am a great believer in. Great people like Gandhi and Martin Luther King have used it very effectively to overcome prejudice and social injustice.

Civil disobedience to what level?

The level is inherent in the term itself.

Refusing to comply.

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#1736733 15-Mar-2017 11:44

Pulling the topic slightly to the left...

Yes you are correct, most Government's wont care for you or your data, but the biggest risk is not most Governments, the biggest risk is inexperienced hackers who only need access to a few of your services (like email, online storage) and they have cause you massive pain.

Having the attitude of I have nothing to hide so who cares is very wrong.

Use complex passwords, use 2FA, don't share unnecessary info, be careful.

If a Government wants your data, there is not much you can do to stop them - 256 bit encryption - easily broken.

I think the latest surveillance discussions should always highlight the need for personal security protection.

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#1736736 15-Mar-2017 11:44

MikeB4:

The various Government services that may use surveillance have small resources and as such they need to narrowly target their activities. The reality is they have no interest in me and the vast majority of the citizens of Aotearoa.

You assume a lot.

5 Eyes spy on each other's country so your own country put hand on heart and say "We aren't spying on our own". They just ask one of the other partners to do it.

So you're saying the US doesn't have the resources to spy on you? Or someone you know who you interact with - you know, the old "links to" smear? The NZ government gives the US access to our comms and Internet.

You assume you haven't done anything wrong. But you don't get to decide. They do.

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#1736738 15-Mar-2017 11:45

Linuxluver:

MikeB4:

Rikkitic:

It is called civil disobedience - something I am a great believer in. Great people like Gandhi and Martin Luther King have used it very effectively to overcome prejudice and social injustice.

Civil disobedience to what level?

The level is inherent in the term itself.

Refusing to comply.

I agree, I just wanted clarification as to what was meant by the term in this context.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1736739 15-Mar-2017 11:46

MikeB4: The various Government services that may use surveillance have small resources and as such they need to narrowly target their activities. The reality is they have no interest in me and the vast majority of the citizens of Aotearoa.

You are most likely correct. But if in future for any reason you fit someone else's definition of a troublemaker (whether or not you think that definition is accurate), or one of your kids or other similar relative does, your perspective may change.

Privacy is best and most easily protected before it is lost.

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#1736766 15-Mar-2017 11:49

jjnz1:

If you have nothing to hide, I can please have your:

Full name
Mothers maiden name
last password to used to log onto your internet service (just for verification purposes)
contact phone number
Passport number and driver's lic. number.
Address

Now what I am going to do is simulate a $90k loan approval, don't worry, I don't actually action the loan.

This happens all the time, PROTECT your data!

This thread isn't about protecting data from criminals/fraudsters it's about government surveillance.

Individuals and companies I hide as much from as possible.

Mike

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#1736769 15-Mar-2017 11:53

Dynamic:

MikeB4: The various Government services that may use surveillance have small resources and as such they need to narrowly target their activities. The reality is they have no interest in me and the vast majority of the citizens of Aotearoa.

You are most likely correct. But if in future for any reason you fit someone else's definition of a troublemaker (whether or not you think that definition is accurate), or one of your kids or other similar relative does, your perspective may change.

Privacy is best and most easily protected before it is lost.

Agreed and government should always be held to account and a strong independent judiciary is important for oversight.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1736808 15-Mar-2017 12:22

MikeAqua:
... This thread isn't about protecting data from criminals/fraudsters it's about government surveillance. ...

But what impact does government surveillance have on protecting information from criminals & fraudsters? Backdoors & taps aren't necessarily open only to government, databases (and physical files left lying around in public..) are another avenue of attack, and government employees themselves are only human and fully capable of themselves being criminals/fraudsters.

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#1736820 15-Mar-2017 12:53

Question for the "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear" crowd,

So why do you have curtains at home?

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#1736838 15-Mar-2017 13:00

Linuxluver:
MikeB4:

The various Government services that may use surveillance have small resources and as such they need to narrowly target their activities. The reality is they have no interest in me and the vast majority of the citizens of Aotearoa.

You assume a lot.

5 Eyes spy on each other's country so your own country put hand on heart and say "We aren't spying on our own". They just ask one of the other partners to do it.

So you're saying the US doesn't have the resources to spy on you? Or someone you know who you interact with - you know, the old "links to" smear? The NZ government gives the US access to our comms and Internet.

You assume you haven't done anything wrong. But you don't get to decide. They do.

Point taken, I had forgotten five eyes.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1736839 15-Mar-2017 13:01

dafman:
Question for the "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear" crowd,

So why do you have curtains at home?

To protect the neighbours :p

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1736840 15-Mar-2017 13:03

dafman:

Question for the "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear" crowd,

So why do you have curtains at home?

so i can sleep at night , need it dark.

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#1736842 15-Mar-2017 13:05

dafman:

Question for the "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear" crowd,

So why do you have curtains at home?

Dumbest argument ever. I don't trust nor want my neighbours seeing my day to day activity, however, I am happy for the Government to do so in the interests of protecting our country.

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