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#483821 21-Jun-2011 18:45

Do we really care? I accept that losing skilled workers is detrimental to the economy, but the flipside is that those people will vacant jobs in New Zealand which then create opportunities for those of us who chose to stay. Personally having worked in Australia on temporary projects I could never see myself relocating there permanently but if others choose to do so then good on them and good luck to them.

As to the age issue, my experience is consistent with Nate's but there are exceptions to every rule and it's unfortunate that genuinely dedicated young workers get tarred with the same brush as the dropkicks. With that in mind it makes sense to reintroduce the youth wage if it lowers the barriers to young workers who might not otherwise have the opportunity to prove themselves and gain valuable experience.

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#483830 21-Jun-2011 19:00

The Christchurch earthquake has contributed to the exodus to Australian.

John Keys government is one of the most popular , so I don't expect National are the reason.

My opinion is that the exodus consists of economic migrants, christchurch refugees, and foreign nationals who gain NZ residency with expectations of moving to Australia.

Remember, salaries are double or more for some professions. Although, the Australian tax rates are very high so high earners would take that into account.

The NZ herald has been advertising for GP's in Adelaide for $A450,000 salary. I don't think gp's are paid that well here, why not go?

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#484216 22-Jun-2011 10:12

lokhor: I'm not going to agree or disagree with youth rates coming back in but I think no adult should be working in a job with minimum wage. We should be working towards an economy that is focused on skilled labour, not perpetuating the minimum wage/minimum effort attitudes.

If we accept the general premise that wage rates are skills based then why should there not be a youth rate. Unskilled workers right?
Equally there are unskilled adults (for all number of reasons).... where is the incentive for them to attain skills if they simply get a better rate by virtue of being deemed 'an adult worker'?

Unskilled workers offer employers value thru work experience and reliability, and that should improve their worth. Any sensible employer wants to retain staff rather than churn thru them, it simply makes economic sense in terms of productivity.
Any organisation that feels churning thru unskilled staff on trials/internships is not being run to its best potential. (Thats not to say that these employment tools have some worth if used properly).

Yes we should be focusing on getting people/youth/anyone to acquire skills, but whose job is that?
Should it be the Governments?
Should it be the parents?
Should it be the individuals?

.... or should we just run with the flow... should it be the Australians?

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#484218 22-Jun-2011 10:16

wreck90: The Christchurch earthquake has contributed to the exodus to Australian.

John Keys government is one of the most popular , so I don't expect National are the reason.

My opinion is that the exodus consists of economic migrants, christchurch refugees, and foreign nationals who gain NZ residency with expectations of moving to Australia.

Remember, salaries are double or more for some professions. Although, the Australian tax rates are very high so high earners would take that into account.

The NZ herald has been advertising for GP's in Adelaide for $A450,000 salary. I don't think gp's are paid that well here, why not go?

Another article on the same subject.

http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/chch-rebuild-companies-will-have-find-skilled-workers-english-ck-95753

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#484345 22-Jun-2011 13:04

robjg63:

It seems Mr Key has a nice smile so he gets voted for.

You missed out how the family silver also gets lined up for sale when National is running short on ideas.
In my opinion electricity generation in particular is too vital an asset to ever sell into private hands.

This particularly annoys me. National worked hard to puff up the debt as much as possible. They cut taxes (just like Bush and the GOP did in 2001). The consequences have been similarly disastrous for the public accounts...as intended. This is why they didn't sell any assets in the first term...they needed time to CREATE the deficit they would use as the excuse to sell them.

Thieves and saboteurs.

They claim debt is the reason for the sales....yet the amount hey plan to raise ($7Billion) won't cover the cost of their tax cuts for more than 15 months.

Then what? Doesn't matter...the state will have been raped, the taxpayers pillaged. The assets we currently all own will have been transferred to the top 1%.....and by the looks of it the Chinese state investment company. China clearly understands the value of investing state capital in assets...What a shame our own government doesn't.

It's a scam...and we're the dupes if we vote for them.

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#484361 22-Jun-2011 13:43

Linuxluver:
robjg63:

It seems Mr Key has a nice smile so he gets voted for.

You missed out how the family silver also gets lined up for sale when National is running short on ideas.
In my opinion electricity generation in particular is too vital an asset to ever sell into private hands.

This particularly annoys me. National worked hard to puff up the debt as much as possible. They cut taxes (just like Bush and the GOP did in 2001). The consequences have been similarly disastrous for the public accounts...as intended. This is why they didn't sell any assets in the first term...they needed time to CREATE the deficit they would use as the excuse to sell them.

Thieves and saboteurs.

They claim debt is the reason for the sales....yet the amount hey plan to raise ($7Billion) won't cover the cost of their tax cuts for more than 15 months.

Then what? Doesn't matter...the state will have been raped, the taxpayers pillaged. The assets we currently all own will have been transferred to the top 1%.....and by the looks of it the Chinese state investment company. China clearly understands the value of investing state capital in assets...What a shame our own government doesn't.

It's a scam...and we're the dupes if we vote for them.

And vote for who then?

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#484363 22-Jun-2011 13:49

wreck90:
Linuxluver:
robjg63:

It seems Mr Key has a nice smile so he gets voted for.

You missed out how the family silver also gets lined up for sale when National is running short on ideas.
In my opinion electricity generation in particular is too vital an asset to ever sell into private hands.

This particularly annoys me. National worked hard to puff up the debt as much as possible. They cut taxes (just like Bush and the GOP did in 2001). The consequences have been similarly disastrous for the public accounts...as intended. This is why they didn't sell any assets in the first term...they needed time to CREATE the deficit they would use as the excuse to sell them.

Thieves and saboteurs.

They claim debt is the reason for the sales....yet the amount hey plan to raise ($7Billion) won't cover the cost of their tax cuts for more than 15 months.

Then what? Doesn't matter...the state will have been raped, the taxpayers pillaged. The assets we currently all own will have been transferred to the top 1%.....and by the looks of it the Chinese state investment company. China clearly understands the value of investing state capital in assets...What a shame our own government doesn't.

It's a scam...and we're the dupes if we vote for them.

And vote for who then?

Labour even though Goff is a lost cause.

The voters got shafted on the anti smacking referendum, Key lied about GST, and key said he would not pass the foreshore and seabed legislation unless it had enough support. Guess what most submitters didn't want this legislation to become law.

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#484398 22-Jun-2011 14:32

You forgot about the ACC debacle...

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#484424 22-Jun-2011 15:11

Yeah Labour running it into the ground and hiding it....

Labour under uncle Helen was far far more dishonest that National under Key.
Hell we are still dealing with dodgy deals she cooked up, BMWs, Americas Cup anyone?

No point moaning about it. National will win this year, They have 0 competition

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#484425 22-Jun-2011 15:11

Linuxluver:

This particularly annoys me. National worked hard to puff up the debt as much as possible. They cut taxes (just like Bush and the GOP did in 2001). The consequences have been similarly disastrous for the public accounts...as intended. This is why they didn't sell any assets in the first term...they needed time to CREATE the deficit they would use as the excuse to sell them.
...(edit)...
It's a scam...and we're the dupes if we vote for them.

I find it rather scary that you could conspire to think that.

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#484464 22-Jun-2011 16:13

TheUngeek: Yeah Labour running it into the ground and hiding it....

Labour under uncle Helen was far far more dishonest that National under Key.
Hell we are still dealing with dodgy deals she cooked up, BMWs, Americas Cup anyone?

No point moaning about it. National will win this year, They have 0 competition

National have done another dodgy America's Cup deal for us this time around as well. They're all just as bad as each-other.

None of the parties are good options for the majority. If only we could set some sort of qualification criteria for someone to be an MP.

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#484470 22-Jun-2011 16:22

No, they didn't. That deal was done by Labour. They locked it in so tight it's impossible to get out of. In fact at the time ther were gloating about that fact. That's what I was referring to.

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#484472 22-Jun-2011 16:23

to Quote that great man Billy Connolly

"Dont vote for them, it justs encourages them "

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#484478 22-Jun-2011 16:33

stevenz: If only we could set some sort of qualification criteria for someone to be an MP.

Simple... If you want to be an MP then clearly you're not suited and should be shot.
If you end up being one by any other means then you'd have the good sense to quit before it becomes necessary to shot you.

Belgium hasn't had a parliament for over a year without any ill effects... (but then they are all a wee bit busy running europe).

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#484495 22-Jun-2011 16:56

Linuxluver:
This particularly annoys me. National worked hard to puff up the debt as much as possible.

I am disappointed they are running a deficit.

They should have used their early political capital to make the tough cuts to the white elephant spending. The bribes that a desperate labour threw out in their 3rd term eg : interest free students loans (after graduation), welfare where after DPB/housing allowance etc a single mother can get $700+/week - which is far more then entry level trade jobs pay, working for families (lets take money off people (tax) pass it through the govt sausage factory then give some of it back to them).

They cut taxes (just like Bush and the GOP did in 2001). The consequences have been similarly disastrous for the public accounts...as intended. This is why they didn't sell any assets in the first term...they needed time to CREATE the deficit they would use as the excuse to sell them.

Agreed cutting taxes without balancing the books by cutting spending sufficiently is insane.

If they are cutting taxes they should cut spending to balance the books. Tax cuts could have been funded by cutting spending in a number of ways eg: removing working for families rather than raising GST.

They claim debt is the reason for the sales....yet the amount hey plan to raise ($7Billion) won't cover the cost of their tax cuts for more than 15 months.

Then what? Doesn't matter...the state will have been raped, the taxpayers pillaged. The assets we currently all own will have been transferred to the top 1%.....and by the looks of it the Chinese state investment company. China clearly understands the value of investing state capital in assets...What a shame our own government doesn't.

Agreed, I'm not a fan of privatisation of natural monopolies which is still what each regional lines and generation company effectively are.

History shows in NZ that private natural monopolies can get away with too much for too long (see: Telecom).

It's a scam...and we're the dupes if we vote for them.

The majority of National's policies are still better than the majority of Labours policies imo.

Labour's poilcy comes down to tax rich pricks more and spend heaps, that isn't a sound policy.

The fact is the truely rich have well paid accountants and pay no income tax. The middle to middle high workers already pay the majority of the tax burden, fair more than their fair share.

Taxing the middle class moderately successful people more will just lead to even more going overseas. Right now most of the friends I went to school with are overseas (Canada, Singapore, Hong kong, Australia, UK).

I'm actually a fan of flat income tax rate and a land or capital gains tax because this captures the super rich who cook their books legitiatemly via trusts and other vehicles in order to pay no income tax.

Unfortunately there are a large amount of MP's who are using (abusing) trusts and property investment so so you're not going to see a capital or land tax happen any time soon.

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