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#3123598 4-Sep-2023 16:02

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NZH story today about Liam Lawson in Formula 1 says: "... Lawson has come away with better results than the Aussie [Daniel Ricciardo] (two races) and teammate Nyck de Vries (10 races)..."

What? de Vries is not a current AlphaTauri driver. Ricciardo is out injured and Liam Lawson is his replacement - and their other driver is Yuki Tsunoda.

I believe they mean that in the two races he's completed he's already had a better finish than de Vries in his 10 races this season, before being replaced by Ricciardo who has had in his two races this season, before being replaced by Lawson. Alpha Tauri this year has been a bit of a revolving door to date.

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#3123634 4-Sep-2023 18:36

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NZH story today about Liam Lawson in Formula 1 says: "... Lawson has come away with better results than the Aussie [Daniel Ricciardo] (two races) and teammate Nyck de Vries (10 races)..."

What? de Vries is not a current AlphaTauri driver. Ricciardo is out injured and Liam Lawson is his replacement - and their other driver is Yuki Tsunoda.

I believe they mean that in the two races he's completed he's already had a better finish than de Vries in his 10 races this season, before being replaced by Ricciardo who has had in his two races this season, before being replaced by Lawson. Alpha Tauri this year has been a bit of a revolving door to date.

De Vries was fired by AlphaTauri - so to describe him as a teammate is hardly correct.

If they do mean what you say, then it’s poorly written.

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#3124100 6-Sep-2023 09:42

Heard on the radio news.

"Two people have been taken to hospital after crashing a car..."

I would love to know what they were doing they were in to have both crashed the car. Maybe one was working the stick while the other was steering?

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#3124103 6-Sep-2023 09:47

SirHumphreyAppleby:

Heard on the radio news.

"Two people have been taken to hospital after crashing a car..."

I would love to know what they were doing they were in to have both crashed the car. Maybe one was working the stick while the other was steering?

Maybe they were having sex and no-one was steering.

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#3124104 6-Sep-2023 09:49

SirHumphreyAppleby:

Heard on the radio news.

"Two people have been taken to hospital after crashing a car..."

I would love to know what they were doing they were in to have both crashed the car. Maybe one was working the stick while the other was steering?

Normally it's reported as "the car crashed" seemingly of its own volition with no reference to anyone driving it.

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#3124106 6-Sep-2023 09:51

geoffwnz:
SirHumphreyAppleby:

Heard on the radio news.

"Two people have been taken to hospital after crashing a car..."

I would love to know what they were doing they were in to have both crashed the car. Maybe one was working the stick while the other was steering?

Normally it's reported as "the car crashed" seemingly of its own volition with no reference to anyone driving it.

To be fair, if it crashed, it would be possible to argue that noone was indeed driving at the time...

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#3124107 6-Sep-2023 09:52

Ge0rge:
geoffwnz:

Normally it's reported as "the car crashed" seemingly of its own volition with no reference to anyone driving it.

To be fair, if it crashed, it would be possible to argue that noone was indeed driving at the time...

Yep, I nearly said the phrase "no-one in control" and came to the same thought.

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#3124141 6-Sep-2023 11:56

Rikkitic:

Coming from Europe I can only react with bemusement to all the butthurt outrage expressed by some when they encounter a Māori word in a communiqué. Grow up people! It is not like a worm in your breakfast cereal.

The French are very protective of their language. They consider it a cultural treasure, even to the extent of funding French language classes around the world through Alliance Française.

What they do not tolerate is diminishing or bastardising of the language. In particular, protectors of the French language abhor "Franglais" which they see as sullying the nature of their language, leading to the loss of its originality and unique character.

This is my objection to will-nilly mixing of English and Te Reo Maori. It leads to both languages losing their original form and character. Pepper potting Maori words into English is not protecting Te Reo. It is diluting it and washing away the details. It is dumbing down the language and will lead to literality, loss of nuance, idiom and detail. The end result is Maorglish and a loss of the original language form.

So don't mix them up. Speak or write in one or the other correctly and preserve their integrity.

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#3124150 6-Sep-2023 12:28

Are we back at discussing language? Read the last four pages and see if you realise why someone was locked out for a week.

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#3124151 6-Sep-2023 12:41

johno1234:

Rikkitic:

Coming from Europe I can only react with bemusement to all the butthurt outrage expressed by some when they encounter a Māori word in a communiqué. Grow up people! It is not like a worm in your breakfast cereal.

The French are very protective of their language. They consider it a cultural treasure, even to the extent of funding French language classes around the world through Alliance Française.

What they do not tolerate is diminishing or bastardising of the language. In particular, protectors of the French language abhor "Franglais" which they see as sullying the nature of their language, leading to the loss of its originality and unique character.

This is my objection to will-nilly mixing of English and Te Reo Maori. It leads to both languages losing their original form and character. Pepper potting Maori words into English is not protecting Te Reo. It is diluting it and washing away the details. It is dumbing down the language and will lead to literality, loss of nuance, idiom and detail. The end result is Maorglish and a loss of the original language form.

So don't mix them up. Speak or write in one or the other correctly and preserve their integrity.

There is no integrity to language. Do you use words like kindergarten, rucksack, pyjamas, khaki, smorgasbord, mana etc? We all use loan words which came into English or other languages, because that's how language works. Even French. I read they've given up insisting on 'ordinateur' and have accepted 'computer'.

Languages are in the hands of their users and subject to wider forces, trends and migrations. Languages are like biological organisms, they spread, evolve and sometimes they die too.

I don't speak in Chaucer's English, there have been countless modifications to English, even in the last century.

I suspect what you're really saying is you want NZ English to stay the way it was when you learn it. Sorry, that's not going to happen.

I agree with you - can pepper potting 'mahi' into a sentence make a meaningful impact on the survival of Te Reo Maori? I doubt it. Survival of TRM is going to need people speaking the whole language, in all circumstances. Personally I doubt I'll ever get better than a few words or phrases.

Are Europeans the target audience for such pepper potting ? Or is it intended to encourage Maori that TRM can come out of the shadows into everyday life?

I wonder what NZ would be like if TRM reached the threshold where it became spoken widely and in the presence of non-speakers. How would non-Maori attitudes to TRM change and for the better or worse?

It's certainly much easier to learn a language when you hear it everyday.

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#3124161 6-Sep-2023 13:21

Sensing Murder star Kelvin Cruickshank cancels tour, claims fellow medium stopped him performing in South Island

I guess he did not see it happening.. But then they are ALL con-jobs anyway.

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#3124162 6-Sep-2023 13:22

"National Party leader Christopher Luxon has promised 10,000 electric vehicle charges by 2030 if elected."

I was wondering* whether this was going to be done via RUCs, and why they needed so many. It turns out that it's chargers, not charges!

*OK, not really, as I figured it was probably a typo... [Edit: Which has now been fixed]

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#3124164 6-Sep-2023 13:28

Small steps. Even just sneaking a few words in results in those words being learned over time. As people become accustomed to it, it doesn't seem so scary anymore.

Languages are always enriched, never diminished, by borrowing from other languages. The nature of languages is that they change and grow over time. Today's rapper would have a hard time understanding Shakespeare, who would have an equally hard time comprehending rap. That is the way it works. Of course they should be mixed. Otherwise you end up with a dead language, like Latin. There is a racist tinge to this argument if it only applies to Māori. It is just silly if it doesn't. How do you exclude French, German, Chinese, Arabic, and all the other influences? Do you go back to communicating by grunting?

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#3124166 6-Sep-2023 13:32

Algarism, algebra, algorithm.

Tell me again how afraid of Arabic some of you are.

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#3124169 6-Sep-2023 13:42

Behodar:

"National Party leader Christopher Luxon has promised 10,000 electric vehicle charges by 2030 if elected."

I was wondering* whether this was going to be done via RUCs, and why they needed so many. It turns out that it's chargers, not charges!

*OK, not really, as I figured it was probably a typo... [Edit: Which has now been fixed]

I guess a “charge” is what you take an EV to a charger to get? (Rather than a fee, which is the other interpretation).

So at least it would be an election promise (by any party) that is likely to be achieved! And early to boot.

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