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#1046799 17-May-2014 06:49

Although I have no time for the crap, its about time we decriminalised dope in NZ.

I was born and raised in a country where it's legal (Netherlands) and can't say I favour that approach.
By legalising it you're making it very easily accessible especially for young adults and the amount of abuse is just as high as in any other country where it's illegal.
Because it's legal you lose the challenge to do "something naughty" as a kid, however by making it as easy as a buying a pack of gum it doesn't seem like a big deal either.
The problem with it is that consumption peaks with kids & young adults (aged 15 to 25), of which the under 18's get adults to buy the stuff for them.
These are the ages where your brain develops and the result of legal weed has shown a large increase of people that
- revolt against society (don't like the system, don't want to be part of it)
- feel no need to work or contribute (increase of self-importance and loss of focus on achieving education and finding work)
Not to mention the negative impacts on brain development and general health overall.

Sure this does not apply to everybody, (there are many strong minded and intelligent adults that can regulate their consumption to appropriate levels), but making it fully legal makes it so much easier for those with lesser willpower to fall victim to it and sidetrack their chances of building a successful life.

My solution would be to strictly distribute the stuff in limited quantities for leisure consumption and for medical purposes, rationed just like you get a prescription from the pharmacists.
This breaks the cycle of the illegal distribution as the state controls the quality and pricing of the product (putting the illegal network out of play) and protects the vulnerable from addiction by only supplying what they need. There might be a risk that certain people will share their allocated lot but it's still better than giving it free completely. Also, those that apply to receive their "medication" should be properly tested for psychological history as there is evidence this could have a negative impact.

So far my preaching :P

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#1046830 17-May-2014 09:27

ScuL:
Although I have no time for the crap, its about time we decriminalised dope in NZ.

I was born and raised in a country where it's legal (Netherlands) and can't say I favour that approach.
By legalising it you're making it very easily accessible especially for young adults and the amount of abuse is just as high as in any other country where it's illegal.
Because it's legal you lose the challenge to do "something naughty" as a kid, however by making it as easy as a buying a pack of gum it doesn't seem like a big deal either.
The problem with it is that consumption peaks with kids & young adults (aged 15 to 25), of which the under 18's get adults to buy the stuff for them.
These are the ages where your brain develops and the result of legal weed has shown a large increase of people that
- revolt against society (don't like the system, don't want to be part of it)
- feel no need to work or contribute (increase of self-importance and loss of focus on achieving education and finding work)
Not to mention the negative impacts on brain development and general health overall.

Sure this does not apply to everybody, (there are many strong minded and intelligent adults that can regulate their consumption to appropriate levels), but making it fully legal makes it so much easier for those with lesser willpower to fall victim to it and sidetrack their chances of building a successful life.

My solution would be to strictly distribute the stuff in limited quantities for leisure consumption and for medical purposes, rationed just like you get a prescription from the pharmacists.
This breaks the cycle of the illegal distribution as the state controls the quality and pricing of the product (putting the illegal network out of play) and protects the vulnerable from addiction by only supplying what they need. There might be a risk that certain people will share their allocated lot but it's still better than giving it free completely. Also, those that apply to receive their "medication" should be properly tested for psychological history as there is evidence this could have a negative impact.

So far my preaching :P

Maybe alcohol too.
Reading OP's posts I see his predicament was compounded by alcohol abuse..

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#1046860 17-May-2014 10:32

Maybe alcohol too.
Reading OP's posts I see his predicament was compounded by alcohol abuse..

I do recall a scientist not long ago proclaim something along the lines that if alcohol was invented today it would be classified a class B controlled substance and therefore illegal, in other words the same as marijuana. It's fair to say that without alcohol society would have a lot less problems. I am not sure adding more legal substances the idiots of this world seem intent of consuming to screw with their lives and that of others is needed.

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#1046952 17-May-2014 13:02

scuwp:

Maybe alcohol too.
Reading OP's posts I see his predicament was compounded by alcohol abuse..

I do recall a scientist not long ago proclaim something along the lines that if alcohol was invented today it would be classified a class B controlled substance and therefore illegal, in other words the same as marijuana. It's fair to say that without alcohol society would have a lot less problems. I am not sure adding more legal substances the idiots of this world seem intent of consuming to screw with their lives and that of others is needed.

I read a book written by an English physician in the mid 19th century, the book being about what we'd call "recreational drugs" these days. He conducted quite a thorough study on the impact of alcohol on society in England, and compared it to opium use in other countries. His conclusion was that the impact was "about the same". Some people choose not to use, some people choose to use - and are able to continue to use "moderately", and although more people would become addicted to opium than alcohol, opium addicts (except at the extreme end) were more able than alcoholics to function in normal society. His conclusion - they were more or less the same. His recommendation - don't allow unrestricted access to opium, as it might double the number of people incapacitated.
I'll remember the name of the book later - after I've posted this.

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#1046955 17-May-2014 13:06

scuwp:

Maybe alcohol too.
Reading OP's posts I see his predicament was compounded by alcohol abuse..

I do recall a scientist not long ago proclaim something along the lines that if alcohol was invented today it would be classified a class B controlled substance and therefore illegal, in other words the same as marijuana. It's fair to say that without alcohol society would have a lot less problems. I am not sure adding more legal substances the idiots of this world seem intent of consuming to screw with their lives and that of others is needed.

Won't bother me if they ban that.

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#1046966 17-May-2014 13:28

This seems like a total troll thread.

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#1046996 17-May-2014 14:45

sdav: This seems like a total troll thread.

You might be right. Someone joins GZ just to ask about prisons? Ok...

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#1047004 17-May-2014 14:53

DarthKermit:
sdav: This seems like a total troll thread.

You might be right. Some joins GZ just to ask about prisons? Ok...

Does this mean GZ has street cred now? Or as I believe the gangs now refer to as - and I may be out of touch - Amour-propre.

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#1047007 17-May-2014 15:08

ScuL:
Although I have no time for the crap, its about time we decriminalised dope in NZ.

I was born and raised in a country where it's legal (Netherlands) and can't say I favour that approach.
By legalising it you're making it very easily accessible especially for young adults and the amount of abuse is just as high as in any other country where it's illegal.
Because it's legal you lose the challenge to do "something naughty" as a kid, however by making it as easy as a buying a pack of gum it doesn't seem like a big deal either.
The problem with it is that consumption peaks with kids & young adults (aged 15 to 25), of which the under 18's get adults to buy the stuff for them.
These are the ages where your brain develops and the result of legal weed has shown a large increase of people that
- revolt against society (don't like the system, don't want to be part of it)
- feel no need to work or contribute (increase of self-importance and loss of focus on achieving education and finding work)
Not to mention the negative impacts on brain development and general health overall.

Sure this does not apply to everybody, (there are many strong minded and intelligent adults that can regulate their consumption to appropriate levels), but making it fully legal makes it so much easier for those with lesser willpower to fall victim to it and sidetrack their chances of building a successful life.

My solution would be to strictly distribute the stuff in limited quantities for leisure consumption and for medical purposes, rationed just like you get a prescription from the pharmacists.
This breaks the cycle of the illegal distribution as the state controls the quality and pricing of the product (putting the illegal network out of play) and protects the vulnerable from addiction by only supplying what they need. There might be a risk that certain people will share their allocated lot but it's still better than giving it free completely. Also, those that apply to receive their "medication" should be properly tested for psychological history as there is evidence this could have a negative impact.

So far my preaching :P

I think you're mistakenly conflating decriminalisation and legalisation though - they are very different beasts! Decriminalisation simply means that getting caught with person quantities (one plant etc) isn't going to get you stuck in prison, though distribution or commercial grow-ops still will. Ultimately wouldn't help the OP in this case, but in the long run would free up much needed police resources to deal with stuff like, I dunno, actual crimes. Instead of ordering taxis for people making 111 calls.

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#1047043 17-May-2014 15:43

Wait so will I get the Milton or the invercargill? like the thread is on the off topic but it went way off topic.My house is not elligible for electronic monitoring.I live in Queenstown

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#1047085 17-May-2014 16:53

queenstown: Wait so will I get the Milton or the invercargill? like the thread is on the off topic but it went way off topic.My house is not elligible for electronic monitoring.I live in Queenstown

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#1047121 17-May-2014 17:41

The closest one with space for you.

Corrections decide, and they probably wouldn't be able to tell you till the day. You could end up somewhere else entirely.

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#1047126 17-May-2014 17:57

gjm: I think you'd have more to worry about if you were riding a quad bike on a farm without a helmet on.

As ridiculous as you may think that is I think it's worse the guy was ok with letting a child under 10 come with him on a 1 man quad, both without helmets for something close to 2 years. It's a working site, even if they live on it.

He got spotted 5 different times when inspectors were present(including after a written warning was given to his employer and he was personally told not to).

If he had of rolled it hurting himself/the child or worse people would be screaming there were plenty of warning signs and nothing was done when it should have.

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#1047141 17-May-2014 18:48

Who decides which Prison you go to?

You do. Based on the nature of your ofence(s).

That was my first thought response as I read the thread title. Now I've read the thread I decided out was still a valid comment.

queenstown dude..... you've been given some good advice here and I hope you really do take it on board.
Your further comments about being drunk at the time, is to me you failing to accept responsibilty and looking for excuses. If you really think having 10 drinks in 2 hrs on a full stomach would have altered the events or the outcome then you still have a way to go.

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#1047150 17-May-2014 19:02

DarthKermit:
sdav: This seems like a total troll thread.

You might be right. Someone joins GZ just to ask about prisons? Ok...

The poster had previous posts - so you are incorrect about that particular "fact".

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