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#1334113 30-Jun-2015 13:45

jamesrt:
keewee01: Which begs the question - why should they be treated differently?

But... But... "RUGBY!!!" :-)

Yes... rugby - but would you rather have a slim shot at getting reasonably priced tickets or pricy scalped tickets OR a better chance at getting reasonably priced tickets with no scalping? :)

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#1334115 30-Jun-2015 13:47

Ticketek, Wellington Rugby or the Stadium should have a booth just inside the gates for people to report scalped tickets.

Let those with scalped tickets still attend but cancel the Ticketek account of those selling those tickets and block their CC number from being used on any new Ticketek account set up.

And maybe charge their CC the difference in ticket price... |:>

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#1334122 30-Jun-2015 13:53

keewee01: Ticketek, Wellington Rugby or the Stadium should have a booth just inside the gates for people to report scalped tickets.

Let those with scalped tickets still attend but cancel the Ticketek account of those selling those tickets and block their CC number from being used on any new Ticketek account set up.

And maybe charge their CC the difference in ticket price... |:>

How does one prove the tickets have been scalped?

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#1334127 30-Jun-2015 13:59

wasabi2k:
keewee01: Ticketek, Wellington Rugby or the Stadium should have a booth just inside the gates for people to report scalped tickets.

Let those with scalped tickets still attend but cancel the Ticketek account of those selling those tickets and block their CC number from being used on any new Ticketek account set up.

And maybe charge their CC the difference in ticket price... |:>

How does one prove the tickets have been scalped?

Show them the TradeMe auction?

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#1334175 30-Jun-2015 14:58

keewee01: Ticketek, Wellington Rugby or the Stadium should have a booth just inside the gates for people to report scalped tickets.

Let those with scalped tickets still attend but cancel the Ticketek account of those selling those tickets and block their CC number from being used on any new Ticketek account set up.

And maybe charge their CC the difference in ticket price... |:>

All any of those organisations care about is selling the tickets, they have done that, and despite the sound bites and platitudes, they dont give a crap, mission accomplished.

However you should not take this lying down! Why not stalk the sellers on trademe who offered tickets, get their address, form a mob, arm them with pitchforks, flaming torches and crosses and hunt them down.

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#1334191 30-Jun-2015 15:17

keewee01:
Show them the TradeMe auction?

It's not illegal to sell a ticket that you've purchased to someone else though is it?

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#1334196 30-Jun-2015 15:26

Nope not illegal in NZ (excluding special events CRWC etc.), its generally against the TOS on the ticket though. This is a civil matter though, so near impossible to police

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#1334222 30-Jun-2015 15:42

wasabi2k:
Geektastic:
keewee01:
xpd:
DarthKermit: Whatever you do, don't try to sell tickets on TradeMe

Wow, Ive seen some riled up TM users before but not to that level :D

Wow - that is a lot of hate!

Anyone who was genuine about having surplus tickets would only sell them for enough over the original purchase price to cover their costs. (Ticket price, Ticketek fees, delivery fee, TradeMe/Success fees)

Anything else is scalping!

What's wrong with scalping though? Why is it any different from hotels jacking rates when events are on, or a retailer increasing the cost of any rare item that there is high demand for?

We seem to have a belief that tickets are somehow 'special'.

What does annoy me is when events are cancelled, Ticketek et al will only refund the original buyer, not the person who is the current legal owner of the ticket. That IS wrong. It is not 'illegal' or even against Ticketek rules to sell your tickets, so they should refund to people sending/bringing genuine physical tickets to them, not just the person whose card originally paid for them simply to make their own life easier....

Different issue - scalpers are buying tickets for the purpose of reducing supply then selling them on at a markup, they do not control ticket prices for first sale, nor do they control supply. What you see is people buying 10+ tickets for $20 each then selling those on, which pisses off people who just want to buy tickets to go, rather than just buying 2 to sell on.

On one hand, supply and demand - if people are willing to pay these prices then people will set at those prices. People are dicks.

Airlines/Hotels directly control the price AND the supply (within limits) and will usually do what they need to to maximise profit without pissing off the consumers too much. They are a business out there to make a profit, we expect that behaviour.

As far as Ticketek - absolutely fine with only refunding the original purchaser. It serves as a mild deterrent to scalping and should help curb the grey market. Expecting a refund on a scalped ticket is hilarious.

Ticketek ALLOW tickets to be sold on if you can't go etc. Why is it hilarious if someone does not get refunded for something they own legal title to? If you can't go and I buy your ticket, I am the one who had the right to enter the event. Why then should you be refunded if the event is cancelled?

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#1334229 30-Jun-2015 15:45

This is what Ticketek says

"Tickets may not, without the prior written consent of Ticketek and the Seller, be resold or offered for resale at a premium"

Ergo it is absolutely allowed to sell them at face value.

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#1334238 30-Jun-2015 15:49

Geektastic: This is what Ticketek says

"Tickets may not, without the prior written consent of Ticketek and the Seller, be resold or offered for resale at a premium"

Ergo it is absolutely allowed to sell them at face value.

And have you seen a single seller offering them at face value?

Have you seen a single seller note that they have written consent from Ticketek to resell them?

I sure haven't.

So which side of the argument are you on? You first post what's the problem with it and let people make money out of it, and then you post the above (which some of us have been pointing out all along)

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#1334242 30-Jun-2015 15:52

wasabi2k:
Jaxson: Oh and the other thing is why are radio stations allowed these types of corporate tickets for prizes for events that would sell to fans directly.
This event does not require additional advertising, so I don't see any difference between corporate prize tickets and scalping.

They are totally different - they are a marketing/promotional item - not neccessarily for that particular event but as part of an ongoing relationship, plus those tickets are provided by the event organiser.

I don't have an issue with these, I have an issue with joe public taking tickets meant for the public and selling them for heaps. But as before - will always be an issue if people are willing to pay it.

I know where you are coming from, but those tickets are not available for the public to purchase, and instead are being offered by a business, who use ratings as a guide to sell advertising space.
Ticket competitions get listeners, which in turn allows them to make a profit from selling advertising.
ie they're making money from offering those tickets, just like scalpers, to some degree however small you may feel that to be.

For games that won't sell out then no worries, they offer a service.
But in this case that just isn't the case.

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#1334306 30-Jun-2015 16:32

keewee01:
Geektastic: This is what Ticketek says

"Tickets may not, without the prior written consent of Ticketek and the Seller, be resold or offered for resale at a premium"

Ergo it is absolutely allowed to sell them at face value.

And have you seen a single seller offering them at face value?

Have you seen a single seller note that they have written consent from Ticketek to resell them?

I sure haven't.

So which side of the argument are you on? You first post what's the problem with it and let people make money out of it, and then you post the above (which some of us have been pointing out all along)

I don't have a side: if you own the tickets I can't see why you should be prohibited from selling them for $1 million if some numpty is prepared to pay that.

My problem is slightly related - if you sell them, you should not be the one who gets a refund (irrespective of the fact that the refund is face value not any other value)in the event of cancellation because you sold the ticket to someone else. The owner of the ticket at the time of cancellation should get any refund owed.

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#1334316 30-Jun-2015 16:47

Geektastic:
keewee01:
Geektastic: This is what Ticketek says

"Tickets may not, without the prior written consent of Ticketek and the Seller, be resold or offered for resale at a premium"

Ergo it is absolutely allowed to sell them at face value.

And have you seen a single seller offering them at face value?

Have you seen a single seller note that they have written consent from Ticketek to resell them?

I sure haven't.

So which side of the argument are you on? You first post what's the problem with it and let people make money out of it, and then you post the above (which some of us have been pointing out all along)

I don't have a side: if you own the tickets I can't see why you should be prohibited from selling them for $1 million if some numpty is prepared to pay that.

My problem is slightly related - if you sell them, you should not be the one who gets a refund (irrespective of the fact that the refund is face value not any other value)in the event of cancellation because you sold the ticket to someone else. The owner of the ticket at the time of cancellation should get any refund owed.

Oh yeah - definitely. So as it stands a scalper can't really loose!

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#1334320 30-Jun-2015 16:52

My problem is slightly related - if you sell them, you should not be the one who gets a refund (irrespective of the fact that the refund is face value not any other value)in the event of cancellation because you sold the ticket to someone else. The owner of the ticket at the time of cancellation should get any refund owed.

If you sell them, noone should get a refund. If you violate the terms of sale you don't get anything back, if you bought scalped tickets you don't get anything back.

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#1334331 30-Jun-2015 17:05

Ticket scalping is perfectly legal and is simply a free economy market at work.

Yes people may not like this, but it's basic supply and demand which anybody who knows basic economics should understand.

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