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#515874 2-Sep-2011 18:20

Hehe, used my 3G to read it.

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#515880 2-Sep-2011 18:48

wellygary:
richms: It was a vauge and stupid wording of it, but it had something about connecting to multiple users in it and the general view is that its not supposed to cover hosting based downloads. You cant prove that anyone made a copy of things just by the fact that there is a http request either.

a) material is uploaded via, or downloaded from, the Internet using an application or network that enables the simultaneous sharing of material between multiple users; and(b) uploading and downloading may, but need not, occur at the same time

A web browser is not an application that enables simultaneous sharing of materials between multiple users.

The server the file is hosted on might count, but it would be brave to assume that a browser met that requirement.

Opera counts, as it features Unite - a fully fledged web server ;)

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#515883 2-Sep-2011 18:55

Must be Friday, this is the most enjoyable thread I have followed for a long time :) Lennon, genius, anyway, back to the pissing up.

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#515884 2-Sep-2011 18:56

LennonNZ: At the moment I will not give distribution rights to the file.

Sorry. - Craig

cws82us: I made my own copyright thing too http://www.assaultaddicts.co.nz/copyright.txt

DylanReeve: Guys, I have created a copy of the file which you can download at http://dylanreeve.com/lennon-copyright.txt - I promise I won't turn over your IP details!!!

I'm a bit lost about how to make an income in New Zealand.

Mr Craig has promoted the existence of his works on two high profile internet sites today. But he will not make the work available for sale, robbing me of the chance to make an income.
Mr cws82us has offered all my potential customers a work for nothing. While is product is local, have a look at it... it's hardly worth as much as he charged my potential customers (sorry Mr cws, no offense intended to you personally, but your product is crap).
Mr Dylan has offered my potential customers a way to get a re-branded version of Mr Craigs product for free.

It seems the only way I can make an income is by setting up an ISP and charging customers to provide a service which will let them break the law...

But, the government has passed a law that's going to impact interest in my service, and the industry and media are pushing hype to make sure it will drive away customers.

This from what I can see, has been done for content produces like Mr Craig without gaining a commitment from said rights holders to make their product available in New Zealand at a reasonable price and/or control the promotion of their product in my market.

Oh well... it's luck it's election year and we can vote in a new government who will over turn the entire law and put rights holders back in their place.

In the mean time... WINZ office is looking good. :)

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#515887 2-Sep-2011 19:05

I think we should produce an open source version Mr. lennon's fine work. I'm going to start a project which I will name Coopyright which will consist of some words you may combine in any order you feel will give you a fully customized Copyright solution. Here are some words to get started:

This
A
The
Intersect
Alumni
Pendulous
Flange
Cow
Embiggen
Monday

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#515889 2-Sep-2011 19:07

Please note that the GNU implementation of Flange contains options incompatible with the Copyright System V standard syntax.

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#515892 2-Sep-2011 19:15

SaltyNZ: Please note that the GNU implementation of Flange contains options incompatible with the Copyright System V standard syntax.

Mr Salty can we talk about a hosting solution for you and I'd be interested in the advertising rights on the site.

Do you have a domain name sorted out or are you just going to host on one of those free .us platforms like sourceforge?

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#515898 2-Sep-2011 19:25

How much would i be looking at to licence such these works for 12 months?

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#515967 2-Sep-2011 22:07

what about if we clean room reverse engineered it and made that open source? We could remove options for payment and insert references to free beer.

Try Vultr using this link and get us both some credit:

http://www.vultr.com/?ref=7033587-3B

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#516090 3-Sep-2011 11:28

I chose not to download it, but if you could release a PDF of it on the Kindle market, I might buy it off you

I have moved across the ditch. Now residing in Melbourne as a VOIP/Video Technical Trainer/Engineer.

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#516094 3-Sep-2011 11:36

Wow this is like the most nerdy discussion I've seen here :)

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#516106 3-Sep-2011 12:42

Clicked it when someone posted it on Twitter. Not P2P/filesharing unfortunately.

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#516116 3-Sep-2011 13:10

maknz: Clicked it when someone posted it on Twitter. Not P2P/filesharing unfortunately.

I wonder who posted it...

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#516122 3-Sep-2011 13:19

vinnieg: I chose not to download it, but if you could release a PDF of it on the Kindle market, I might buy it off you

If you can get Kindle rights, can you let me know? I'll still be keen to look at rights for other platforms.

I can only assume that Mr Craig is just busy working on other markets, but is using our unserviced market to drive up interest so he can forge a better deal in the bigger markets?

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#516208 3-Sep-2011 18:32

DonGould:
If you can get Kindle rights, can you let me know? I'll still be keen to look at rights for other platforms.

Ugh, all true geeks know that only EPUB gives you the complete freedom that information desires. Mr Lennon could revoke your Kindle version at any time, even after you've paid for it. How is THAT fair!?

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