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#986421 12-Feb-2014 21:29

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Once tobacco is banned the dogodders will start of other things..

I don't know about "dogodders" (or even dogooders ;-)), but alcohol is already entering the firing line. Some sports events, for example, are have already banned alcohol advertising.

The EU stamped hard on alcohol advertising in general some time ago I think - when I was growing up, we had booze ads on TV in the UK but they disappeared decades ago now and you never see them. Even the "Wine & Beer Week At Pak n Slave" ads you get here would not be run in the EU. Formula One of course got rid of tobacco advertising quite some while ago and I can't recall seeing any alcohol advertising there.

None of the doom and gloom the booze companies predicted seems to have come to pass so no doubt it will eventually happen here too, I am sure.

(PS Can't stop thinking about new hybrid creature called a 'dogotter' now!)

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Ferrari are paid around $US150M a year by the folks at Marlboro and they paint their F1 cars the same colour as Marlboro packs.

The Lotus F1 team is even more interesting.

The team has no connection to Group Lotus - the maker of Lotus cars - but uses the name, and paints the cars black with gold stripes in order to make sure that folks remember the Lotus John Player Specials. No idea how much they are paid for that but I doubt that they do it for free.

As for alcohol advertising, I am pretty sure that I could see beer ads on UK satellite TV when I was in Germany and Ireland and you can spot a few small booze ads on the 2014 crop of F1 cars.

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#986452 12-Feb-2014 22:08

So the law exists because children are exposed to fine carcinogenic particulates that stick to moist tissue and cause cancer ?
This is well meant I'm sure but the car they are sitting in produces magnitudinally larger quantities of the same thing, which then hang in the air of large cities all over the UK.

Emissions don't just disappear, so if we really want to protect people from exposure to fine particulates we need to cut out all emissions from industry and transport as well.

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#986490 12-Feb-2014 22:28

Smoking has been banned in cars with children (either under 18 or 16, depending on which state) in Australia for at least 4 years.

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#986884 13-Feb-2014 17:07

Geektastic: snip
(PS Can't stop thinking about new hybrid creature called a 'dogotter' now!)

FWIW A dog otter is just a male otter.

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#988605 17-Feb-2014 06:27

jpoc:
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As for alcohol advertising, I am pretty sure that I could see beer ads on UK satellite TV when I was in Germany and Ireland and you can spot a few small booze ads on the 2014 crop of F1 cars.

The Williams F1 team are reportedly in negotiations to have Martini as their title sponsor in the 2014 year.

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#988690 17-Feb-2014 10:32

jpoc:
Geektastic:
Buzz Bumble:
old3eyes:
Once tobacco is banned the dogodders will start of other things..

I don't know about "dogodders" (or even dogooders ;-)), but alcohol is already entering the firing line. Some sports events, for example, are have already banned alcohol advertising.

The EU stamped hard on alcohol advertising in general some time ago I think - when I was growing up, we had booze ads on TV in the UK but they disappeared decades ago now and you never see them. Even the "Wine & Beer Week At Pak n Slave" ads you get here would not be run in the EU. Formula One of course got rid of tobacco advertising quite some while ago and I can't recall seeing any alcohol advertising there.

None of the doom and gloom the booze companies predicted seems to have come to pass so no doubt it will eventually happen here too, I am sure.

(PS Can't stop thinking about new hybrid creature called a 'dogotter' now!)

Is it OK if I laugh?

Ferrari are paid around $US150M a year by the folks at Marlboro and they paint their F1 cars the same colour as Marlboro packs.

The Lotus F1 team is even more interesting.

The team has no connection to Group Lotus - the maker of Lotus cars - but uses the name, and paints the cars black with gold stripes in order to make sure that folks remember the Lotus John Player Specials. No idea how much they are paid for that but I doubt that they do it for free.

As for alcohol advertising, I am pretty sure that I could see beer ads on UK satellite TV when I was in Germany and Ireland and you can spot a few small booze ads on the 2014 crop of F1 cars.

Nevertheless, explicit tobacco advertising is banned in F1 and how many people watching today recall the JPS cars of the 70's? Do they even still make JPS cigs?

"The UK advertising rules for alcohol are amongst the strictest in the world. The rules are based upon evidence that points to a link between alcohol advertising and people’s awareness and attitudes to drinking. Accordingly the rules, independently enforced by the ASA, were significantly tightened in 2005 and were again re-evaluated and subject to full public consultation in 2009. The stringent rules, which apply across all media and are mandatory, place a particular emphasis on protecting young people; alcohol ads must not be directed at people under 18 or contain anything that is likely to appeal to them by reflecting youth culture or by linking alcohol with irresponsible behaviour, social success or sexual attractiveness. The TV and radio advertising rules contain strict controls about the placement and content of alcohol advertising. Alcohol ads are banned from appearing in and around programmes commissioned for or principally targeted at audiences below the age of 18, as well as programmes likely to appeal particularly to audiences below the age of 18."

The upshot is that alcohol advertising on TV (bearing in mind that TV advertising time costs several orders of magnitude more in the UK than it does here - no 'Lighting Plus' home made TV ads there!) is rare and usually confined to times like Xmas.

France, Norway and Russia already have complete bans in place for TV or Billboard ads for alcohol.

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#988696 17-Feb-2014 10:35

I have a monthly subscription of the Popular Science (US) magazine.

Plenty of cigarette smoking adds in the mag.

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#988699 17-Feb-2014 10:42

Klipspringer: I have a monthly subscription of the Popular Science (US) magazine.

Plenty of cigarette smoking adds in the mag.

Would should not repeat their mistakes.

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#988718 17-Feb-2014 11:10

KiwiNZ:
Klipspringer: I have a monthly subscription of the Popular Science (US) magazine.

Plenty of cigarette smoking adds in the mag.

Would should not repeat their mistakes.

I don't believe advertising causes people to smoke. As an ex smoker I certainly don't get the urge to smoke when I see a cigarette advertisement. When I was young I did not try smoking because I saw an advert. I started because all of my friends were doing it.

Peer pressure from friends is what causes drinking, smoking, smoking pot, drugs etc ... The lack of alcohol advertising in NZ has done nothing to lower our teen drinking and binge drinking culture. New Zealand youth out drink and binge more heavily than any other nation in the developed world - Yet we advertise the least.

In the US you don't see many youth drinking like you see here, yet they advertise alcohol nearly everywhere.

They not making the mistakes. I believe we could learn from the US in this regard. New Zealand has no minimum legal drinking age. BIG MISTAKE!!! In the US its 18.

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#988726 17-Feb-2014 11:21

Klipspringer:
KiwiNZ:
Klipspringer: I have a monthly subscription of the Popular Science (US) magazine.

Plenty of cigarette smoking adds in the mag.

Would should not repeat their mistakes.

I don't believe advertising causes people to smoke. As an ex smoker I certainly don't get the urge to smoke when I see a cigarette advertisement. When I was young I did not try smoking because I saw an advert. I started because all of my friends were doing it.

Peer pressure from friends is what causes drinking, smoking, smoking pot, drugs etc ... The lack of alcohol advertising in NZ has done nothing to lower our teen drinking and binge drinking culture. New Zealand youth out drink and binge more heavily than any other nation in the developed world - Yet we advertise the least.

In the US you don't see many youth drinking like you see here, yet they advertise alcohol nearly everywhere.

They not making the mistakes. I believe we could learn from the US in this regard. New Zealand has no minimum legal drinking age. BIG MISTAKE!!! In the US its 18.

Advertisements are designed more to keep smokers smoking by triggering the desire to smoke. If the advertising did not work the corporations would not spend the money.

Alcohol is another story and possibly another thread, but our binge drinking goes back decades to what was called the 6 o'clock swell when pubs closed at 6pm and drinkers binged in the last hour to get as much as possible in, so we have binge drinkers educating and influencing subsequent
generations of binge drinkers, our immature attitude to addictions continues to hinder this countries growth in many ways.

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#988736 17-Feb-2014 11:31

KiwiNZ:
Klipspringer:
KiwiNZ:
Klipspringer: I have a monthly subscription of the Popular Science (US) magazine.

Plenty of cigarette smoking adds in the mag.

Would should not repeat their mistakes.

I don't believe advertising causes people to smoke. As an ex smoker I certainly don't get the urge to smoke when I see a cigarette advertisement. When I was young I did not try smoking because I saw an advert. I started because all of my friends were doing it.

Peer pressure from friends is what causes drinking, smoking, smoking pot, drugs etc ... The lack of alcohol advertising in NZ has done nothing to lower our teen drinking and binge drinking culture. New Zealand youth out drink and binge more heavily than any other nation in the developed world - Yet we advertise the least.

In the US you don't see many youth drinking like you see here, yet they advertise alcohol nearly everywhere.

They not making the mistakes. I believe we could learn from the US in this regard. New Zealand has no minimum legal drinking age. BIG MISTAKE!!! In the US its 18.

Advertisements are designed more to keep smokers smoking by triggering the desire to smoke. If the advertising did not work the corporations would not spend the money.

Alcohol is another story and possibly another thread, but our binge drinking goes back decades to what was called the 6 o'clock swell when pubs closed at 6pm and drinkers binged in the last hour to get as much as possible in, so we have binge drinkers educating and influencing subsequent
generations of binge drinkers, our immature attitude to addictions continues to hinder this countries growth in many ways.

Another example could possibly be smoking pot. Obviously no adverting because its illegal. Yet there is a huge market for it here in NZ. In fact its strangely common to smoke pot here. So many people do it and they did not learn about it from adverts.

IMO the best way to fix this mess is to criminalize under 18drinking, and under 18 smoking, and even smoking in cars with a minor ... Its perfectly legal for a 12 year old to smoke and drink in New Zealand. (one of those WTF laws of this country)

Criminalize it and those that do it. Well get them to do some community service.

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#988740 17-Feb-2014 11:36

Klipspringer:
KiwiNZ:
Klipspringer:
KiwiNZ:
Klipspringer: I have a monthly subscription of the Popular Science (US) magazine.

Plenty of cigarette smoking adds in the mag.

Would should not repeat their mistakes.

I don't believe advertising causes people to smoke. As an ex smoker I certainly don't get the urge to smoke when I see a cigarette advertisement. When I was young I did not try smoking because I saw an advert. I started because all of my friends were doing it.

Peer pressure from friends is what causes drinking, smoking, smoking pot, drugs etc ... The lack of alcohol advertising in NZ has done nothing to lower our teen drinking and binge drinking culture. New Zealand youth out drink and binge more heavily than any other nation in the developed world - Yet we advertise the least.

In the US you don't see many youth drinking like you see here, yet they advertise alcohol nearly everywhere.

They not making the mistakes. I believe we could learn from the US in this regard. New Zealand has no minimum legal drinking age. BIG MISTAKE!!! In the US its 18.

Advertisements are designed more to keep smokers smoking by triggering the desire to smoke. If the advertising did not work the corporations would not spend the money.

Alcohol is another story and possibly another thread, but our binge drinking goes back decades to what was called the 6 o'clock swell when pubs closed at 6pm and drinkers binged in the last hour to get as much as possible in, so we have binge drinkers educating and influencing subsequent
generations of binge drinkers, our immature attitude to addictions continues to hinder this countries growth in many ways.

Another example could possibly be smoking pot. Obviously no adverting because its illegal. Yet there is a huge market for it here in NZ. In fact its strangely common to smoke pot here. So many people do it and they did not learn about it from adverts.

IMO the best way to fix this mess is to criminalize under 18drinking, and under 18 smoking, and even smoking in cars with a minor ... Its perfectly legal for a 12 year old to smoke and drink in New Zealand. (one of those WTF laws of this country)

Criminalize it and those that do it. Well get them to do some community service.

Criminalising drinking for those under 18 is not the answer, giving kids of 14,15, 16 etc criminal records for this would have far reaching implications beyond what is needed. Education is the answer concerning ALL addictions. However I do believe in prosecution of "adults" who get minors drunk.
As for smoking ban it simple.

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#988744 17-Feb-2014 11:38

KiwiNZ:
Criminalising drinking for those under 18 is not the answer, giving kids of 14,15, 16 etc criminal records for this would have far reaching implications beyond what is needed. Education is the answer concerning ALL addictions. However I do believe in prosecution of "adults" who get minors drunk.
As for smoking ban it simple.

Well it blows me away thats its perfectly legal in New Zealand for 11 and 12 year olds to smoke and drink.

How can you prosecute an adult for getting a minor drunk if its legal for the minor to drink?
I would love to see how this law would work. It will create more problems than its worth.

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#988749 17-Feb-2014 11:44

Klipspringer:
KiwiNZ:
Criminalising drinking for those under 18 is not the answer, giving kids of 14,15, 16 etc criminal records for this would have far reaching implications beyond what is needed. Education is the answer concerning ALL addictions. However I do believe in prosecution of "adults" who get minors drunk.
As for smoking ban it simple.

Well it blows me away thats its perfectly legal in New Zealand for 11 and 12 year olds to smoke and drink.

How can you prosecute an adult for getting a minor drunk if its legal for the minor to drink?
I would love to see how this law would work. It will create more problems than its worth.

And how would you stop them?

I know for a fact when i was 13 14 15 when someone told me i cant do something i would go out of my way to do it, first cigi at 13, first proper drink at 14, my dad didnt no about the smoking but he made me have my first drink with him, i was brought up with a respect for alcohol.

I would stop putting the blame on laws and what no,t and put the blame on the parents, kids are wrapped in cotton wool now adays, spoilt little brats that are over protected by dumb laws...

I'm going to noob myself past judgement

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#988750 17-Feb-2014 11:44

Klipspringer:
KiwiNZ:
Criminalising drinking for those under 18 is not the answer, giving kids of 14,15, 16 etc criminal records for this would have far reaching implications beyond what is needed. Education is the answer concerning ALL addictions. However I do believe in prosecution of "adults" who get minors drunk.
As for smoking ban it simple.

Well it blows me away thats its perfectly legal in New Zealand for 11 and 12 year olds to smoke and drink.

How can you prosecute an adult for getting a minor drunk if its legal for the minor to drink?
I would love to see how this law would work. It will create more problems than its worth.

agreed, however it would be hard to do but charges could be laid under child abuse laws for parents allowing this to happen.

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