Climate change: What can you do to help halt global warming and when will you do it?

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#2753044 31-Jul-2021 19:28

Sorry I’m not making myself clear. I don’t dispute the numbers you quote. I am just tired of the media weaponising weather events and using numbers they clearly don’t have any comprehension of to promote their ‘disaster porn’.

But thank you for the basic atmospheric physics lesson.

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#2753136 1-Aug-2021 07:48

Dingbatt:

Sorry I’m not making myself clear. I don’t dispute the numbers you quote. I am just tired of the media weaponising weather events and using numbers they clearly don’t have any comprehension of to promote their ‘disaster porn’.

But thank you for the basic atmospheric physics lesson.

I actually think weaponising weather events helps the masses comprehend the issues. When we hear that the average global temp has risen 0.8 degrees since whenever, or that this year was the hottest on record, the daily immersion of weather doesn't reflect that. One day its 13C next week its 22C, the people think everything is normal.

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#2753157 1-Aug-2021 11:20

Okay, so exaggeration and misdirection is fine as long as it achieves the goal?

Here’s an example using your Florida inundation. What if the scientists had subtracted the amount of snow and ice deposited on 1.7m sqkm of the Western Antarctic Ice Shelf (equivalent to the area of Greenland) on the same day as the Greenland melt? Even if the net amount was a loss of ice, then wouldn’t that be a more accurate indication of our plight?

Or the same time as the heat dome in the North West of USA/Canada, temperatures in Florida were 10F below normal.

The difference is when the media says “Worst floods in Marlborough in sixty years” I think “So they were worse 61 years ago?” Or do their records only go back 60 years?

Likewise, “Death Valley records hottest temperature in more than 100 years”. Does that mean it was hotter more than 100 years ago?

A scared population is a compliant population.

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#2753177 1-Aug-2021 12:47

Is the Florida number incorrect?

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#2753179 1-Aug-2021 12:57

Dingbatt: A scared population is a compliant population.

Compliant with what exactly?

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#2753189 1-Aug-2021 13:23

gzt:
Dingbatt: A scared population is a compliant population.

Compliant with what exactly?

“The whole aim of practical politics”, wrote HL Mencken, “is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary.”

“Fear is the foundation of most governments”. John Adams (US Founding Father).

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#2753224 1-Aug-2021 14:42

Dingbatt:

“The whole aim of practical politics”, wrote HL Mencken, “is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary.”

“Fear is the foundation of most governments”. John Adams (US Founding Father).

Why would governments be keen on scaring people about climate change (or other environmental issues)?

If anything, many governments have been actively scaring people about the financial impact of actually doing what's needed to fix the problems. Resisting rather than encouraging global solutions - and when that fails - putting efforts into finding excuses as to why they should be granted exceptions.

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#2753255 1-Aug-2021 16:22

Dingbatt:
gzt: Compliant with what exactly?
“The whole aim of practical politics”, wrote HL Mencken, “is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary.”

“Fear is the foundation of most governments”. John Adams (US Founding Father).

Is this like don't get vaccinated and don't wear a mask because it's a freedom issue?

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#2754114 2-Aug-2021 22:27

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#2754197 3-Aug-2021 08:01

gzt:
Dingbatt:

Is this like don't get vaccinated and don't wear a mask because it's a freedom issue?

No. Because the above example is like saying “Cross the road without looking” because it’s a freedom issue (virtually cutting off your nose to spite your face). Perceived threat vs calculable threat.

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#2766042 24-Aug-2021 15:53

The Scottish Islands With Too Much Power

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#2766074 24-Aug-2021 16:25

ChCh, another day at 20, same as yesterday and tomorrow and Thursday. Right now humidity is 35%. Winter! My Spring bulbs are well up, Hyacinths starting to flower. It's all messed up.

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#2766096 24-Aug-2021 17:06

kingdragonfly: The Scottish Islands With Too Much Power

Too much power is one way of looking at it. Too little population is another. Add more people and before you know it, there will be too little power!

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#2766282 25-Aug-2021 07:19

Rikkitic:

kingdragonfly: The Scottish Islands With Too Much Power

Too much power is one way of looking at it. Too little population is another. Add more people and before you know it, there will be too little power!

That may be a struggle there! Although I watched the golf there last weekend, it can be ok weather wise

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#2766295 25-Aug-2021 08:08

tdgeek:

That may be a struggle there! Although I watched the golf there last weekend, it can be ok weather wise

She might have been referring to the Hipkins Directive (tm)

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