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#3108833 27-Jul-2023 18:09

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The last thing the Universe needs is for humans to escape the Earth. Akin to a virus escaping a Chinese lab.

Yep, but Humans are a species, they develope and thrive, or not. Thats Nature

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#3108834 27-Jul-2023 18:17

tdgeek:
SJB:

The last thing the Universe needs is for humans to escape the Earth. Akin to a virus escaping a Chinese lab.

Yep, but Humans are a species, they develope and thrive, or not. Thats Nature

True. We only exist because some creature crawled out of the sea.

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#3108837 27-Jul-2023 18:30

johno1234:
True. We only exist because some creature crawled out of the sea.

Yes, and if the Yucatan meteor did not happen, we would not be here. (based on the many docos I've watched)

Ironic that our intelligence which has created amazing things, struggles with survival. We have nailed financial and power survival, but not our physical survival

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#3108857 27-Jul-2023 19:25

Dear god what a happy bunch.

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#3108859 27-Jul-2023 19:41

MikeB4: Dear god what a happy bunch.

What else could you expect given we're all doomed to a slow death by boiling 😂

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#3108877 27-Jul-2023 20:39

tdgeek:
SJB:

The last thing the Universe needs is for humans to escape the Earth. Akin to a virus escaping a Chinese lab.

Yep, but Humans are a species, they develope and thrive, or not. Thats Nature

It’s true. I’m always surprised by the assumption that we must do all we can to ensure humanity survives. I can never work out why it particularly matters in the grand scheme of things really. There’s no guaranteed right the Universe has given us to exist for eternity.

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#3108923 28-Jul-2023 07:41

All species individually and collectively strive to survive and the evidence is our current existence. Thankfully the vast majority of society cares for the present and the future.
Those that see the world and it's future only about and for themselves do not care.

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#3108965 28-Jul-2023 09:21

Seems like common sense is breaking out as economic reality collide with virtue signalling rhetoric:

“Sir Tony Blair has warned against asking the public to do a “huge amount” to tackle climate change, saying Britain’s net zero efforts cannot solve global warming alone.

The former Labour prime minister stressed that climate change was the “single biggest global challenge” and said “Britain should play its part” in tackling it.

However, he pointed out that what the UK could achieve would be dwarfed by the impact of actions by countries such as China.”

If even a left wing politician like Tony Blair is publicly saying that, we can expect timetables to be rowed back shortly.

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#3108973 28-Jul-2023 09:28

Tony Blair has a history of misleading the public.

Those who do nothing will only succeed at achieving nothing.

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#3108974 28-Jul-2023 09:29

Blair wasn't left wing, he was tory-lite... I was one of the young lot who voted his party in to power in the 1997 elections when I was at high school!

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#3108980 28-Jul-2023 09:37

Benoire:

Blair wasn't left wing, he was tory-lite... I was one of the young lot who voted his party in to power in the 1997 elections when I was at high school!

Thanks for that. I was one the older lot who groaned and paid for your decisions..! 😤 He is certainly far more left than my tastes run to.

The Conservatives are Labour-lite nowadays anyway so it all seems doomed to fail.

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#3108982 28-Jul-2023 09:39

MikeB4:

Tony Blair has a history of misleading the public.

Those who do nothing will only succeed at achieving nothing.

I think you are destined to be disappointed then. Once politicians realise they won't be getting votes due to their policies, the policies will be changed!

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#3108985 28-Jul-2023 09:40

Its been pointed out earlier in this thread, but its unfair to point the finger at China when a large part of the emissions they produce go into exports.

We will never make progress until we accept that it is a global problem. Where the emissions are generated is largely irrelevant.

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Geektastic:

Benoire:

Blair wasn't left wing, he was tory-lite... I was one of the young lot who voted his party in to power in the 1997 elections when I was at high school!

Thanks for that. I was one the older lot who groaned and paid for your decisions..! 😤 He is certainly far more left than my tastes run to.

The Conservatives are Labour-lite nowadays anyway so it all seems doomed to fail.

The New Labour years were the sunlit uplands compared to the s**t show they've been enduring for the last 13 years.

Glad I left, to be honest.

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#3108997 28-Jul-2023 10:09

Senecio:

Its been pointed out earlier in this thread, but its unfair to point the finger at China when a large part of the emissions they produce go into exports.

We will never make progress until we accept that it is a global problem. Where the emissions are generated is largely irrelevant.

The volume of cheap tat which people buy these days is astonishing. Despite my best efforts to discourage it, various friends and relatives still show up with arms full of cheap plastic crap for the kids. They would be perfectly happy with a quarter as much of the toys they have.

We regift or donate some of it, and if the kids want something specific we can usually find it second hand ("Mighty Chase" set up - $100 new, $10 used). But it feels like I'm fighting a losing battle.

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