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#543070 9-Nov-2011 12:40

The fact people eat unhealthily and get fat is because of bad eating habbits. I'm just guessing here but maybe its because the people who tend to suffer from these problems don't know how to make healthy food that tastes good so they just go for high oil/high fat like McDs etc?

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#543102 9-Nov-2011 13:24

TheUngeek: Those who look after their health will only consume those things very rarely. So extra price won't be a problem.

But that is assuming that the likes of hamburgers are not healthy in themselves. There is nothing wrong with a meat patty, lettuce, tomato, etc in a bun it is just that has higher calories per mass than some other food. It is not an unhealthy food, it is that many have an unhealthy attitude to eating and pig out. For example, if one prepared a meal with a single thin meat patty (as they are in hamburgers), some lettuce, tomatoes, cheese, etc and with a bread roll all set out nicely on a plate with a few chips I guarantee most would regard that as now a "healthy meal".

An extreme example, but those of lesser degree of obesity all follow the same trend to a lesser extent - I did an assignment where in the offices of a company in the same building there was one very gross young woman. She would go outside with the smokers and everytime I saw her out there (several times a day) she had a hamburger in one hand and something else, such as an icecream, in the other; guzzling them down. Now, whatever she ate "healthy" or not, she would be gross because the energy in the mass of food she took in was just far in excess of what she burnt up.

It is a fact of physics if we take in more energy in food than we burn up then we will get fat. So eat less, lose weight but the overweight often claim that no matter how little they eat they still put on weight (so obviously eating in hiding

). Also, exercise is used as an excuse - "No matter how much I exercise I still put on weight". The fact is that one has to exercise one hell of a lot to burn up the extra energy consumed through over eating. People just need to cruise the internet where there are plenty of tables that show how much exercise one has to do to burn up calories, and it doesn't make any difference if they come from so called "healthy food" or so called "unhealthy food". In fact when people exercise the body's natural reaction is to want to eat more; that even if one is overweight already.

It is a psychological issue and until we all realise that excuses of "healthy food", "unhealthy" food, "exercise", "genes", etc as well as the likes of "no GST on healthy foods" are all just covers for hiding gluttonly behind then the problem will never be solved.

EDITS: I must learn to fix typos before I post

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#543132 9-Nov-2011 14:11

Something to ponder over for those who believe the split GST and tax on "unhealthy food" is a good thing -

Should Subway be taxed at a higher rate than McDonalds? If not, why not? If so, why?

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#543143 9-Nov-2011 14:23

Subway will always be healthier because they don't have drive-thru.
Just by getting out of the car and going in helps.... ; )

On all matters subway I defer to Jared

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#543144 9-Nov-2011 14:24

sbiddle: Something to ponder over for those who believe the split GST and tax on "unhealthy food" is a good thing -

Should Subway be taxed at a higher rate than McDonalds? If not, why not? If so, why?

Clearly Subway should be taxed at a lower rate than McDonalds.

Oh, except for their bad subs, and maybe the cookies... And the sugared drinks...

Oh, and obviously the Salads etc from McDonalds should be taxed at a lower rate as well - and their fruit bags..

Damnit! You see what you've done? You've inadvertently pointed out through an innocent question that any such "Fat Tax" is going to have countless holes and exceptions in it!!!

Oh wait, I see... Clever :-)

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#543145 9-Nov-2011 14:28

oxnsox: Subway will always be healthier because they don't have drive-thru.
Just by getting out of the car and going in helps.... ; )

On all matters subway I defer to Jared

Some Subway do have drive through :-) Colombo St in Chch for example. - http://g.co/maps/f53cz

Presumably then meals sold through a drivethrough could be subject to an extra Tax... That should be simple enough to implement, and clearly it's better to encourage people to get out of their car and walk! So anyone that opposes this idea hates health.

Cheers - N
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#543146 9-Nov-2011 14:30

That's not an active drive through. Previously it was another brand of fast food that had a drive through.

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#543147 9-Nov-2011 14:35

oxnsox: Subway will always be healthier because they don't have drive-thru.
Just by getting out of the car and going in helps.... ; )

On all matters subway I defer to Jared

Subway Levin have a drive through. :)

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#543149 9-Nov-2011 14:39

oxnsox: Subway will always be healthier because they don't have drive-thru.
Just by getting out of the car and going in helps.... ; )...

Instead of taxes perhaps the answer is just to ban drive thru's and on site parking - together with no parking yellow lines on roadsides for 2km or so

. And you get a tax credit voucher if you turn up in running gear with a sweat on. Mmmm, I like the second, a reward based approach rather than the socialistic punish if don't comply type approach.

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#543167 9-Nov-2011 15:14

graemeh:
oxnsox: Subway will always be healthier because they don't have drive-thru.
Just by getting out of the car and going in helps.... ; )

On all matters subway I defer to Jared

Subway Levin have a drive through. :)

So does Subway on the way to Auckland airport.

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#543204 9-Nov-2011 16:11

nate:
graemeh:
oxnsox: Subway will always be healthier because they don't have drive-thru.
Just by getting out of the car and going in helps.... ; )

On all matters subway I defer to Jared

Subway Levin have a drive through. :)

So does Subway on the way to Auckland airport.

Forget Subway, it's the Dunkin Donuts drive through I want to try!

We don't even have Dunkin Donuts in Wellington. :(

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#543206 9-Nov-2011 16:14

the one out botany lined up with the kfc drive thru, making dinner and then desert really simple to get ;)

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#543258 9-Nov-2011 18:10

Talkiet:
sbiddle: Something to ponder over for those who believe the split GST and tax on "unhealthy food" is a good thing -

Should Subway be taxed at a higher rate than McDonalds? If not, why not? If so, why?

Clearly Subway should be taxed at a lower rate than McDonalds.

Oh, except for their bad subs, and maybe the cookies... And the sugared drinks...

Oh, and obviously the Salads etc from McDonalds should be taxed at a lower rate as well - and their fruit bags..

Damnit! You see what you've done? You've inadvertently pointed out through an innocent question that any such "Fat Tax" is going to have countless holes and exceptions in it!!!

Oh wait, I see... Clever :-)

Cheers - N

Not really.. Excise tax is on the supplier side, not the retailer side.. So the cookies & sauces would be taxed but the veges & bread wouldnt be..

But hey dont let reason & logic get in the way!!!

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#543270 9-Nov-2011 18:42

MikeyPI:[snip]

edit, what's the point. Ignored.

Cheers - N

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DonGould

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#543279 9-Nov-2011 19:05

Talkiet:
sbiddle: Something to ponder over for those who believe the split GST and tax on "unhealthy food" is a good thing -

Should Subway be taxed at a higher rate than McDonalds? If not, why not? If so, why?

Clearly Subway should be taxed at a lower rate than McDonalds.

Oh, except for their bad subs, and maybe the cookies... And the sugared drinks...

Oh, and obviously the Salads etc from McDonalds should be taxed at a lower rate as well - and their fruit bags..

Damnit! You see what you've done? You've inadvertently pointed out through an innocent question that any such "Fat Tax" is going to have countless holes and exceptions in it!!!

Oh wait, I see... Clever :-)

Cheers - N

How do I do a GST return on a client lunch at McD's then? Do I have to process each line item?

Cool... I see where the jobs are coming from now... or can I just use a web based accounting system, edi from McD's and out source all the processing to India?

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