The Spark scam robocallers are getting annoying. Not because of the scam, but because they are broken and the idiots running them don't seem to realise that. When I press 1 (to waste their time and irritate them) I just keep getting looped back to the main recording and eventually disconnected. You would think they must be starting to wonder why they aren't getting any victims.

People who claim soundbars are better. And are unwilling to consider a proper av reciever system.

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martyyn:

 

Diesel ute/SUV drivers who plant their right foot out of a corner and then slam on the brakes mid corner once they find out 2+ tonnes of steel with a high center of gravity is going to understeer like a ***** only to plant the right foot again.

 

I can confirm that if I try that I'll either rapidly rotate or just spin up the inside rear wheel.  Unloaded Ranger is entertaining at times.

More bemused than annoyed... just received an order confirmation email for an order that was placed on the 12th of March and received the following day.

Inane privacy notifications.

"We may need your name in order to assist with your enquiry"

No sh*t, Sherlock. Do you really need to reel off your privacy policy for that?!

geoffwnz:

 

martyyn:

 

Diesel ute/SUV drivers who plant their right foot out of a corner and then slam on the brakes mid corner once they find out 2+ tonnes of steel with a high center of gravity is going to understeer like a ***** only to plant the right foot again.

 

 

I can confirm that if I try that I'll either rapidly rotate or just spin up the inside rear wheel.  Unloaded Ranger is entertaining at times.

 

So they don't tend to understeer as stated by the OP, they tend to oversteer when unladen.  That said, all the modern utes I've driven are pretty good, they've got ESC, they're basically trucks that most of the time drive like cars. If the OP has a problem as described, both he and the ute driver aren't driving at "normal" speed - or the ute has bald tyres or ESC toggled off.

sm1ff: People who claim soundbars are better. And are unwilling to consider a proper av reciever system.

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"Better" might not be based on audio quality - but a compromise for convenience. 

Fred99:

 

geoffwnz:

 

quote martyyn:

 

Diesel ute/SUV drivers who plant their right foot out of a corner and then slam on the brakes mid corner once they find out 2+ tonnes of steel with a high center of gravity is going to understeer like a ***** only to plant the right foot again.

 

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I can confirm that if I try that I'll either rapidly rotate or just spin up the inside rear wheel.  Unloaded Ranger is entertaining at times.

 

 

So they don't tend to understeer as stated by the OP, they tend to oversteer when unladen.  That said, all the modern utes I've driven are pretty good, they've got ESC, they're basically trucks that most of the time drive like cars. If the OP has a problem as described, both he and the ute driver aren't driving at "normal" speed - or the ute has bald tyres or ESC toggled off.

 

Mine is an 08 so doesn't have trick things like ESC.
In general I wouldn't expect a RWD to understeer unless it's got a locked rear diff pushing it.  And the utes tend to be set up for heavy loads so can get a bit tail happy without a load on if you are un-delicate about your throttle use.
SUV's I'm not sure about as I don't often drive them but if you tried the originally described application in an AWD, you'd probably get understeer followed rapidly by lift-off oversteer followed by a power spin cycle.  Would be entertaining to watch.

That real estate guy with the shaky voice who advertises on Newstalk ZB 😄

geoffwnz:

 

Mine is an 08 so doesn't have trick things like ESC.
In general I wouldn't expect a RWD to understeer unless it's got a locked rear diff pushing it.  And the utes tend to be set up for heavy loads so can get a bit tail happy without a load on if you are un-delicate about your throttle use.
SUV's I'm not sure about as I don't often drive them but if you tried the originally described application in an AWD, you'd probably get understeer followed rapidly by lift-off oversteer followed by a power spin cycle.  Would be entertaining to watch.

 

My 00/01 falcon ute is super slide happy with its antique suspention set up, no weight on the back and supercats. Have to really baby it around the place in the damp.

geoffwnz:Mine is an 08 so doesn't have trick things like ESC.
In general I wouldn't expect a RWD to understeer unless it's got a locked rear diff pushing it.  And the utes tend to be set up for heavy loads so can get a bit tail happy without a load on if you are un-delicate about your throttle use.
SUV's I'm not sure about as I don't often drive them but if you tried the originally described application in an AWD, you'd probably get understeer followed rapidly by lift-off oversteer followed by a power spin cycle.  Would be entertaining to watch.

 

They do tricky things these days with ESC / traction control - and open diffs, rather than limited slip/lockable diffs, then even trickier with "4-motion" etc applying braking to any slipping wheel, even though most utes sold are RWD on road.

We've got an old MX5 with optional Torsen diff.  That's got no ESC or anything like it of course, can be a bit interesting.  If you power out a bit fast on a wet road, then you can feel the diff lock up - both back wheels will lose traction rather than the more gradual inside wheel losing traction first with the open diff.  If it had heaps of power an inexperienced driver could find themselves in some serious strife, but with good tyres these days - no real problem - plus it's an MX5 with not much power.. Honda made up for it with the S2000, with 50% more power, but similar weights and the same powertrain as the 6 speed MX5s sold at the time.  Much care needed with those on wet roads.

Coughing, and putting my back out, the day I was going back to squash for the first time in 12 months for reals.

networkn:

 

Coughing, and putting my back out, the day I was going back to squash for the first time in 12 months for reals.

 

 

 

Reals? Is that some sort of squash thing?