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#1583987 1-Jul-2016 12:15

Geektastic:

Wouldn't simply providing meals at school solve this problem?

If you're going to socialise it, that seems to me to be a way of ensuring you meet the aim of feeding children as well as avoiding handing taxpayer's cash to those parents who will not use it as it was intended.

It may indeed solve the problem of hunger for kids, but I suspect that the issues behind this run much deeper, aren't limited to lack of food, and don't suddenly commence when the kids hit school age.

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#1583988 1-Jul-2016 12:15

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Geektastic:

Wouldn't simply providing meals at school solve this problem?

If you're going to socialise it, that seems to me to be a way of ensuring you meet the aim of feeding children as well as avoiding handing taxpayer's cash to those parents who will not use it as it was intended.

Yes! Absolutely. So why doesn't this head-up-the-backside government finally just do it instead of punishing future generations for having ideologically incorrect parents?

Pass. I was at boarding school my whole life, so school fed me 36 weeks a year. I don't have any experience of state schools.

I think most UK schools still provide lunch, though. Not sure, but I have certainly read comments about school meals in UK press.

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#1583995 1-Jul-2016 12:42

Providing school lunches could be a worthy interim measure however it does not address to root cause.

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#1583998 1-Jul-2016 12:46

Rikkitic:

Geektastic:

Wouldn't simply providing meals at school solve this problem?

If you're going to socialise it, that seems to me to be a way of ensuring you meet the aim of feeding children as well as avoiding handing taxpayer's cash to those parents who will not use it as it was intended.

Yes! Absolutely. So why doesn't this head-up-the-backside government finally just do it instead of punishing future generations for having ideologically incorrect parents?

Wow, you never cease to amaze me. Just because their priorities don't match yours, does not mean they aren't doing their job, or that they have their heads up their backsides.

I believe if you found a less abrasive way to communicate, you would have a better chance of getting your point across.

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#1584000 1-Jul-2016 12:50

Regardless of the phrasing, who don't they just do it?

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#1584001 1-Jul-2016 13:00

Rikkitic:

Regardless of the phrasing, who don't they just do it?

Money!?

Juts wondering if you had any ideas what it would cost, or how long it would take to implement, and what work (and cost) for managing and maintaining is involved?

You understand there isn't an endless pit of money? What do you propose cutting so we can provide it ?

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#1584003 1-Jul-2016 13:03

https://www.unicef-irc.org/publications/pdf/rc7_eng.pdf

That report / overview on child well-being is a little out of date (2007), but I struggle to see how from that cross country data, there's a correlation between countries which offer free school lunches and child well-being. The UK and USA do rather poorly. NZ (where it's shown in tables) actually not too bad in most of the stats.

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#1584004 1-Jul-2016 13:06

Yes,the cost of providing school lunches would huge. There will be more cost efficient ways to address this.

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#1584008 1-Jul-2016 13:17

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Money!?

Juts wondering if you had any ideas what it would cost, or how long it would take to implement, and what work (and cost) for managing and maintaining is involved?

You understand there isn't an endless pit of money? What do you propose cutting so we can provide it ?

I suspect it is a matter of priorities rather than just money. The money can be found if there is a will to do so. Maybe build fewer roads, or finally introduce a tax on capital gains. For me, the real issue here is that (apparently) kids are coming to school hungry, which implies that they may not be getting adequate nutrition even when they do eat. Either this is seen as a matter of urgent importance or it is not. I happen to think it is and I think it is shameful to dither around debating the number of angels who can dance on the head of a pin instead of just doing something about it. That is the reason for my 'abrasive' comment. I don't think there is any excuse for allowing this kind of situation to exist and I think it is a serious failing on the part of our government. An enlightened society does not allow kids to go hungry, regardless of the reason for it. Full stop.

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#1584011 1-Jul-2016 13:26

Rikkitic:

networkn:

Money!?

Juts wondering if you had any ideas what it would cost, or how long it would take to implement, and what work (and cost) for managing and maintaining is involved?

You understand there isn't an endless pit of money? What do you propose cutting so we can provide it ?

I suspect it is a matter of priorities rather than just money. The money can be found if there is a will to do so. Maybe build fewer roads, or finally introduce a tax on capital gains. For me, the real issue here is that (apparently) kids are coming to school hungry, which implies that they may not be getting adequate nutrition even when they do eat. Either this is seen as a matter of urgent importance or it is not. I happen to think it is and I think it is shameful to dither around debating the number of angels who can dance on the head of a pin instead of just doing something about it. That is the reason for my 'abrasive' comment. I don't think there is any excuse for allowing this kind of situation to exist and I think it is a serious failing on the part of our government. An enlightened society does not allow kids to go hungry, regardless of the reason for it. Full stop.

Roading affects productivity, productivity increases tax take. You might like to think it's a matter of priority, and to a degree it's true, but it's not just a matter of that.

There ARE initiatives in place (and new ones every day) to feed hungry kids, if you feel strongly, about it, then I can recommend donating to the expansion project for eatmylunch.

As MikeB4 suggested, I doubt the Government would be the most efficient or cost effective way to do this.

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#1584046 1-Jul-2016 13:40

Good points that I agree with. I had already decided (thanks to Lorde's example) to donate to the eatmylunch project. I also agree that the government is not the best organisation to run programmes like this, but I do feel it has failed in its responsibility to create and support the conditions for such projects so they don't have to pin their existence on the generosity of people like Lorde.

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#1584056 1-Jul-2016 13:51

Numbers.

How much does it cost to feed and cloth a child? And how much are those hungry kids' parents are getting?

If they are not getting enough, everyone should step in. Social problems in the long run would cost everyone much more dearly.

If they are getting enough, but had other issues, then we should look at how we help them better. Teach someone fishing rather than giving them a fish.

Hard to conclude anything without seeing a budgeting sheet.

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#1584096 1-Jul-2016 14:56

Rikkitic:

Good points that I agree with. I had already decided (thanks to Lorde's example) to donate to the eatmylunch project. I also agree that the government is not the best organisation to run programmes like this, but I do feel it has failed in its responsibility to create and support the conditions for such projects so they don't have to pin their existence on the generosity of people like Lorde.

I am not sure how you expect them to assist? If they fund an external organization they are responsible for it's success but would have little say in it's day to day operations.

Personally, given donations are tax deductible I prefer to donate my money to causes I feel are well run and targeted at problems I most feel need addressing. Donating my post-tax income to that suits me better than my tax being used to fund it.

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#1584145 1-Jul-2016 15:41

Rikkitic:

Good points that I agree with. I had already decided (thanks to Lorde's example) to donate to the eatmylunch project. I also agree that the government is not the best organisation to run programmes like this, but I do feel it has failed in its responsibility to create and support the conditions for such projects so they don't have to pin their existence on the generosity of people like Lorde.

Well, someone has to pay for it. Are you saying that it is better for a middle-income family struggling to pay a mortgage and feed their kids to pay through their taxes to feed other peoples' kids than it is for an insanely wealthy (by most of our standards) young single person with no commitments to pay by means of a donation?

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#1584161 1-Jul-2016 15:48

Ultimately, I don't care how the problem gets solved as long as it gets solved. Until there is a proper mechanism in place for ensuring that children have enough to eat, it is just another black mark on our already woeful record for letting kids down.

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