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Topic # 126893 23-Jul-2013 11:49
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For all those opposed to or worried about the passing of this Bill in its current form (and everyone in New Zealand should be, as it stands now it is an appalling piece of legislation) get out and show the politicians that you're not going to take it sitting down.  Join the protest marches around the country on Saturday.

Taken from http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1307/S00233/protesting-the-gcsb-tics-bills-nationwide.htm they are as follows:

Auckland - Aotea Square - 2pm-4pm
Hamilton - Garden Place - 2pm-4pm

Napier - Memorial Square - 2pm-4pm

Wellington - Cuba St Bucket Fountain (2pm) then march to The Beehive (3pm) for speakers - 2pm-4pm

Nelson - iSite, Halifax St - 2pm-4pm

Christchurch - Bridge of Remembrance - 2pm-4pm

Dunedin - The Octagon - 2pm-4pm


We're all far too comfortable in New Zealand and believe that 'someone else' will look after our civil liberties but they're not.  This Bill should be above politics - it needs to have an independent enquiry and be reconstructed thoughtfully - not swished through at the whim of a current government - it's far too important for that.

So get out there and show that you disapprove - you may have nothing to hide, but that doesn't mean you should give up the right to your privacy.

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  Reply # 864190 23-Jul-2013 12:07
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Ah geez really? Personally I'd rather do something productive like work.

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  Reply # 864246 23-Jul-2013 13:28
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I'll be there.

Like many, I'm not happy about the bill at all.




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  Reply # 864256 23-Jul-2013 13:39
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Personally I don't care ... whoopdeedoo the goverment is "spying" on us, makes such a huge difference in my daily life I've no idea how I will cope, perhaps I'll go hide under the bed ?

Come on get a life people and find something worthwhile to be upset about.

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  Reply # 864267 23-Jul-2013 13:52
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Personally I have no issues with these bills.

As a law abiding citizen I have nothing to hide.

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  Reply # 864270 23-Jul-2013 13:57
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Klipspringer: Personally I have no issues with these bills.

As a law abiding citizen I have nothing to hide.


Agreed. Sadly some people have too much free time on their hands is my general feeling about these "protests".

As if the Government will pay the slightest bit of attention. Many many more people opposed Asset Sales....

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  Reply # 864277 23-Jul-2013 14:15
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For me, the problem happens when the govt keeps expanding its abilities, and the thing that I do that was never considered wrong before, is now treason or anti-govt.

Many people live in countries where saying the wrong thing will land you in prison, I don't want to end up in a country like that.

 

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  Reply # 864279 23-Jul-2013 14:18
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networkn:
Klipspringer: Personally I have no issues with these bills.

As a law abiding citizen I have nothing to hide.


Agreed. Sadly some people have too much free time on their hands is my general feeling about these "protests".

As if the Government will pay the slightest bit of attention. Many many more people opposed Asset Sales....


Well then, if you guys wouldn't mind sending me your internet banking passwords, preferred church, and political affiliations...

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  Reply # 864284 23-Jul-2013 14:26
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Mark: Personally I don't care ... whoopdeedoo the goverment is "spying" on us, makes such a huge difference in my daily life I've no idea how I will cope, perhaps I'll go hide under the bed ?

Come on get a life people and find something worthwhile to be upset about.


I personally don't see a need to protest however just because you don't support the causes others may support, there is no need to be rude and tell them to "get a life".




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  Reply # 864293 23-Jul-2013 14:37
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SaltyNZ:
networkn:
Klipspringer: Personally I have no issues with these bills.

As a law abiding citizen I have nothing to hide.


Agreed. Sadly some people have too much free time on their hands is my general feeling about these "protests".

As if the Government will pay the slightest bit of attention. Many many more people opposed Asset Sales....


Well then, if you guys wouldn't mind sending me your internet banking passwords, preferred church, and political affiliations...

“If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him”
Cardinal Richelieu quotes (French Minister and Cardinal. 1585-1642)


I am having a hard time staying inside the FUG to reply to this such is the low standard of this response. You can't seriously be equating the two things you have just compared. 

Knowing the Government has access to these things, and the representatives they trust also, is not the same as the public having access to it. 

You have done your credibility no favours with such postings.

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Reply # 864306 23-Jul-2013 14:48
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Look at the positives about these law changes.

Tami Iti and he cronies would be in jail where they belong.
See New Zealand Raids

The evidence was not allowed to be used in his trial (as it was invading his privacy) and in the end he only faced firearms charges. (Police evidence included documents alleging Iti was preparing for an IRA-style "war on New Zealand" to establish an independent state on traditionally Tuhoe land.)

$6 million expense to the taxpayer.

Where can we March in support of these new laws?

The above is IMO. And I am no expert on the case either.

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The above is IMO. And I am no expert on the case either.


I love it :) 


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  Reply # 864315 23-Jul-2013 14:54
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The above is IMO. And I am no expert on the case either.


I love it :) 



Read the wikipedia articles.



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  Reply # 864317 23-Jul-2013 14:55
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Klipspringer: Look at the positives about these law changes.

Where can we March in support of these new laws?

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Sorry I misquoted, this is what I intended to say I loved. 

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  Reply # 864337 23-Jul-2013 15:25
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I'll be there. Driving my 4wd down the road and on the horn if any hippies get in my way

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Ok I can not unerstand why people do take the I have nothing to hide and this is a waste of time approach...You may have nothing to hide and you may be correct in saying that this is not the same as having the information available publicly but come on have you never heard of an employee misuing information.

You basically call those who oppose the bill idiots but to sit there and believe that your privacy is nothing to worry about because you're a law abiding citizen is a total bunch of rubbish as you can and will read / find in the papers every week of an employee in a position of trust and authority getting in trouble for abusing that right.

Should there be better laws for our agencies to collect information hell yes, should this law allow them to collect everyone's information and share it with whichever agencies they like hell no. Change the context of the law before giving it the support you so willingly think they should have.

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