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langers1972

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#128889 27-Aug-2013 14:34

Just read this and I am shaking with rage, only 3 years for punching a baby multiple times causing possible blindness and brain damage amongst other things?

And to add insult to injury "Justice John Priestley jailed Kabhir for three years three months, after giving him credit for his youth and previous clean police record."

When is NZ going to stand up and say enough is enough with this BS?

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#885303 27-Aug-2013 14:38

castration, followed by 20 years in a dark dungeon, sounds more suitable imo.

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#885306 27-Aug-2013 14:40

Did you also read the bit where he tried to bribe the baby's mother to turn in someone else? Model citizen in the making here.

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#885323 27-Aug-2013 14:46

Totally agree. Just make sure he's in general population and the other prisoners find out what he's in for. That ought to take care of it.

Seriously punching a baby that hard is not assault, its attempted murder. That sentence is utterly pathetic.

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#885332 27-Aug-2013 14:54

the NZ justice system is a joke, someone a few weeks ago got 6 years for murder... thats not much of a deterrent.

langers1972

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#885333 27-Aug-2013 14:55

It gets worse:

"He was sentenced by Justice John Priestley today to two years and one month in jail for causing the child grievous bodily harm, and a further one year and one month for attempting to dissuade a witness."

So actually the assault only got 2 years

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#885361 27-Aug-2013 15:27

Tougher sentences will never happen in NZ until a judge or member of parliament has this done to one of their family members plus they need to stop believing the bleeding heart liberals out there who believe it's all the victims fault...

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#885375 27-Aug-2013 15:51

I don't think anyone can say it's the victim's fault. I guess the argument is that beyond a point, punishing people more doesn't help (and actually makes them criminals).

But for violent crimes like this there does need to be harsher penalties. 2 years for punching a baby so hard you broke its skull and blinded it for life, is not enough, even for a 16yo. That's old enough to comprehend how wrong that is.

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#885388 27-Aug-2013 16:11

Disgusting sentence should have been 10 years minimum.

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#885399 27-Aug-2013 16:23

Outrage is easy, solutions are hard.

No matter how long we lock people like this up for they have to come out sooner or later, Stuart Murry Wilson being a great example of what happens then.

Death penalty? I'm okay with it but I'm also okay with the idea that a few people will be in the wrong place at the wrong time and will be executed by the State. I figure the planet is over-populated anyway and while do get executed for crimes they didn't commit they are usually guilty of something. Execution figures are always far lower than deaths from car accidents or smoking and we are all all right with that.

Other than that we have "Well I would have done ...". Sure, I get outraged too. I disagree with many judicial decisions, but we all have areas where we are professionals and we know what we are doing. How do we feel when the great uninformed say "You really should do it like this..."?

Yeah, outrage is easy but I don't have a perfect solution either.

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#885407 27-Aug-2013 16:54

Judges have to work within the boundaries of legislation when sentencing. By law they must take all factors into consideration (and give discounts accordingly) and use similar judgements to decide on a sentence. This is the way our system works. Its not the fault of the Police, The Justice Department or the Prime Minister, its decisions made years ago that must impact on those made today. Nothing's going to change in a hurry, especially when the Government is determined to drop prison numbers and lower prosecutions.

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#885413 27-Aug-2013 17:06

One thing to stop is this stupid practice of concurrent sentencing. For serious and violent crimes the sentencing should be consecutive. Also too easy to get parole and reduced sentences for "good behaviour" here. It's expensive to jail someone for, say, 40 years but whats the cost to the community if they get out in 10 and reoffend? More focus needs to be put into rehabilitation too rather than just simple incarceration.

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#885414 27-Aug-2013 17:15

I really hope that the other prisoners are aware of what he's done...

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#885421 27-Aug-2013 17:40

It's a tough one. If the offender is young and you put him away for a long time....you may as well give him life...because by the time he comes out he will have NO life skills and the only people he will know will be other criminals.

As this guy lacked any priors...the judge appears to have struck a balance between essentially scrapping his life altogether via a long sentence...and punishing him enough that he gets the idea that hitting anyone is a dumb idea. If you achieve that outcome - a peaceful guy going forward - you've succeeded here.

He has been shown some compassion. It's a lesson I hope he takes on board and learns from. He didn't show the baby much. Do two 'wrongs' (failure to show compassion) make anyone right?

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#885460 27-Aug-2013 18:49

Linuxluver: It's a tough one. If the offender is young and you put him away for a long time....you may as well give him life...because by the time he comes out he will have NO life skills and the only people he will know will be other criminals.

As this guy lacked any priors...the judge appears to have struck a balance between essentially scrapping his life altogether via a long sentence...and punishing him enough that he gets the idea that hitting anyone is a dumb idea. If you achieve that outcome - a peaceful guy going forward - you've succeeded here.

He has been shown some compassion. It's a lesson I hope he takes on board and learns from. He didn't show the baby much. Do two 'wrongs' (failure to show compassion) make anyone right?

Totally disagree. This guy deserves no second chances.

People forget. This guy punched a baby several times, causing her blindness in one eye and probable brain damage.

Thats enough in my book to throw away the key.
The baby had a right to eye sight. The baby did not deserve brain damage.
This guy deserve compassion? No. He has no rights. He lost his rights.

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#885490 27-Aug-2013 19:31

Linuxluver: It's a tough one. If the offender is young and you put him away for a long time....you may as well give him life...because by the time he comes out he will have NO life skills and the only people he will know will be other criminals.

As this guy lacked any priors...the judge appears to have struck a balance between essentially scrapping his life altogether via a long sentence...and punishing him enough that he gets the idea that hitting anyone is a dumb idea. If you achieve that outcome - a peaceful guy going forward - you've succeeded here.

He has been shown some compassion. It's a lesson I hope he takes on board and learns from. He didn't show the baby much. Do two 'wrongs' (failure to show compassion) make anyone right?

You are missing the idea of deterrence though. This decision sends a message to young men that they can leave their girlfriend's kid crippled for life and they will go to jail for just 9 months. I say 9 months because the attack on the baby only earned a 2 year term and I would expect that you could get out of jail in 9 months if you spoke respectfully to the parole board.

We have the worst child abuse of any developed nation and that will not change while we hand out punishments for child brutality that are little harder than those we give to men who catch undersized shellfish.

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